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R. L. Frame

R. L. Frame

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thomas pendrake said:
So, you guys know nothing about the teachings of Jesus, and have never read the Declaration of Independence. Nor do you have any knowledge of the people who led the American Revolution. Read Matthew 25:31 and following (to the end of the chapter.). If that is not the definition of Liberalism, I don't know what is.
Jesus said that {in Matthew 19 24, Mark 10;25, AND lUKE 18:25} IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO GO THROUGH THE EYE OF THE (A ) NEEDLE THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. That is about as Liberal as you can get.
Liberal is recognizing the inherent value of all people. I suspect that you people are more liberal than you know. Are you members of the ( reconstituted ) KKK or the American NAZI party? Do you spit at the homeless when you walk by them?
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That is the post you chose to prove "Jusus" is a liberal? When it is kept in context, I think it proves just the opposite.

MY Jesus is quite clear that not every human will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Every person has the opportunity to enter, but just being a "good person" and having " inherent value" prescribed by men does not automatically qualify you as a follower of Christ. The problem is that people, even liberals, do not know their true value. We are not automatically given value to be worthy to be in the presence of Jesus and/or God. That is given to us only by grace and mercy - renewed daily. He calls his children a peculiar people, set apart, from the rest of the world. That does not sound liberal to me.
 
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thomas pendrake said:
So, you guys know nothing about the teachings of Jesus, and have never read the Declaration of Independence. Nor do you have any knowledge of the people who led the American Revolution. Read Matthew 25:31 and following (to the end of the chapter.). If that is not the definition of Liberalism, I don't know what is.
Jesus said that {in Matthew 19 24, Mark 10;25, AND lUKE 18:25} IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO GO THROUGH THE EYE OF THE (A ) NEEDLE THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. That is about as Liberal as you can get.
Liberal is recognizing the inherent value of all people. I suspect that you people are more liberal than you know. Are you members of the ( reconstituted ) KKK or the American NAZI party? Do you spit at the homeless when you walk by them?
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What we (conservatives) do not do is use government to solve our problems and take care of us. However, liberals use government to do these things in order to gain political power. Jesus avoided any talk of relying on government so no He was not a liberal. It was liberals who belonged to the KKK and Nazi's, Democrats and socialists.
 
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Revmitchell said:
What we (conservatives) do not do is use government to solve our problems and take care of us. However, liberals use government to do these things in order to gain political power. Jesus avoided any talk of relying on government so no He was not a liberal. It was liberals who belonged to the KKK and Nazi's, Democrats and socialists.
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Are you TOTALLY ignorant of history? There are no liberals in the KKK, and NAZIs are as "right wing" as possible. Liberal has to do with how you treat and view other people. Conservative is about giving power and wealth to a privileged few. NAZIs were all about using government for power. The Republican party openly thought Hitler was a good guy. The policies advocated by most of the Republican presidential candidates tend to revolve around greed and jingoism. Remember what Jesus said about the poor. Very Liberal.
 
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thomas pendrake said:
Are you TOTALLY ignorant of history? There are no liberals in the KKK, and NAZIs are as "right wing" as possible. Liberal has to do with how you treat and view other people. Conservative is about giving power and wealth to a privileged few. NAZIs were all about using government for power. The Republican party openly thought Hitler was a good guy. The policies advocated by most of the Republican presidential candidates tend to revolve around greed and jingoism. Remember what Jesus said about the poor. Very Liberal.
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Trying to compare the so called "right wing" of Germany back then to the right wing in the US is like comparing apples and refrigerators. There is no comparison based on that. The founding of Germany and the founding of the US are starkly different. So saying they were right wing and thereby conflating Nazi's to the right wing in the US is a logical fallacy known as a hasty generalization.

However, Nazi's did make use of government to solve their issues and were in fact socialists for the purpose of political power.

As afar as the jingoism claim, well that is about a subjective accusation as one can get. It is pure bias and not founded in any real logic or facts.
 
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Rob_BW

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The European version of right wing is not quite the same as the American version. In Europe, the phrase right wing is roughly equal to nationalist.
 
Zaac

Zaac

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thomas pendrake said:
Hello, I am a blogger known as Thomas Pendrake. I write about a number of topics, one of which is the relationship between Science and religion. This can at times be controversial, since I try to stick to facts. As a scientist, I know that atheism is, to quote renowned agnostic Carl Sagan, "very stupid". As a Christian, I know that "Jewish myths and fables" are NOT the basis of our faith. Anyone who insists on the 17th century misinterpretation of Genesis is most definitely NOT a fundamentalist, Fundamentalist Christianity is "Christ in the flesh, crucified and resurrected".
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Welcome Thomas. Pleased to make your acquaintance.
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FYI. We're big huggers in the South.
 
Zaac

Zaac

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Revmitchell said:
The op (original post) was both an introduction by a new member and an attack against anyone who believes the Genesis account. I responded by recognizing his very first post to be as such. In return he read part of my signature which is a quote from Reagan and decided to attack Reagan. I then responded with a quote from Reagan which is also in my signature.
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Play nice. He just got here for goodness sake.Biggrin
 
Zaac

Zaac

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thomas pendrake said:
The trouble with the "Great Prevaricator" was this he was a prevaricator. And, gave weapons to the Ayatollah in a "deal with the Devil" to defeat President Carter. He then set the American energy program back by 40 years a d shipped millions of jobs overseas in a frontal assault on the working people of America.
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Pretty much the truth. Are we gonna have to dice this intro thread and send part of it to Politics?
 
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