Sunday vs Saturday Resurrection?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

If the Jews were so religious as to hurry the death of Jesus, because the sabbath was coming, but found that He was already dead, you better believe he was buried on that day of preparation before the sabbath.

Reply 2,
Since when can you mix up John 19:31 and Luke 23:54 like you do?!
Jesus's side was pierced at least three hours AFTER HE HAD DIED ---at least three hours between John 19:30 and John 19:31! Because in between John 19:30 and John 19:31 happened that "it already had become evening" and JOSEPH only STARTED his undertaking TO, BURY the body of Jesus according to the ethics-LAW of the Jews with regards to "That Very Selfsame Day", "because on the sabbath That Very Selfsame Whole Day was great-day-of-sabbath" of the passover.
JUST IGNORE THESE SCRIPTURES AND VOILA you get what

If the Jews were so religious as to hurry the death of Jesus, because the sabbath was coming, but found that He was already dead, you better believe he was buried on that day of preparation before the sabbath.

that Jesus' side was pierced before sunset and the end of the day which He was crucified on!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Therefore the FINAL reply is here being given by Hark himself,

. . . Mark 15: 42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.

So evening had come and that was after sunset on Friday, meaning starting the day of the Jewish Friday at the first sunset; which was a whole day before the next sunset before it ends Friday to start the sabbath day.

That would mean Jesus was crucified on Thursday as the sunset had approached; and He was buried on Friday after sunset that evening.

Sabbath day did not start until the next sunset that Friday.

If people have a hard time understanding when John 20:1 was, then Mark 16:1-3 should clear it up that it was not on the sabbath day at all.

Jesus was in the tomb, Friday sunset to sunset; Saturday sunset to sunset, and that is two days of the three in the earth as prophesied.

The third day started at sabbath day ending at sunset.

Jesus had risen on the third day; the first day of the week; which is Sunday before sunrise apparently that Sunday.

It doesn't matter how many visits there was to the tomb because John 20:1 places that visit on Sunday before sunrise and the other visit of Mark 16:1-3 was also on that Sunday.

in which reply GE can see absolutely nothing wrong except THAT IT CLEARLY CONTRADICTS HARK'S OWN ARGUMENT IN JUST THE PARAGRAPH BEFORE OF BURIAL AND CRUCIFIXION ON THE SAME DAY. . . .

If the Jews were so religious as to hurry the death of Jesus, because the sabbath was coming, but found that He was already dead, you better believe he was buried on that day of preparation before the sabbath.

…because“the third day” started at ‘Friday’~ending at sunset~,Luke 23:56b, "because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of "the passover!

How can you have the Crucifixion on the Fifth Day of the week (“~Thursday~”) but “the third day”—Resurrection day—on Sunday? It’s crazy; Sunday is a fourth day, the day after “the third day”!

And it is impossible the Burial was on Friday the day after the Crucifixion, but it only was the third day after the real “third day” which, clearly it says, was the day of Jesus’ resurrection? It’s crazy.

 

[vooks]

Therefore the FINAL reply is here being given by Hark himself,



in which reply GE can see absolutely nothing wrong except THAT IT CLEARLY CONTRADICTS HARK'S OWN ARGUMENT IN JUST THE PARAGRAPH BEFORE OF BURIAL AND CRUCIFIXION ON THE SAME DAY. . . .

…because“the third day” started at ‘Friday’~ending at sunset~,Luke 23:56b, "because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of "the passover!

How can you have the Crucifixion on the Fifth Day of the week (“~Thursday~”) but “the third day”—Resurrection day—on Sunday? It’s crazy; Sunday is a fourth day, the day after “the third day”!

And it is impossible the Burial was on Friday the day after the Crucifixion, but it only was the third day after the real “third day” which, clearly it says, was the day of Jesus’ resurrection? It’s crazy.

You have this because THIRD day from today is the day AFTER tomorrow and nothing else.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You have this because THIRD day from today is the day AFTER tomorrow and nothing else.

And you have this because "the third day SINCE they delivered Him to be crucified" from "the first day they Killed the passover"Luke 24:21Luke 22:7, is "today on the First Day of the week"Luke 24:1and 24:21 which is neither "~the day AFTER tomorrow~" (Vooks) nor "~nothing else~" (Vooks). E.g., Vooks, in Luke 24:21 : Sunday supposed to be is the third day including the first day that they delivered Him over to be crucified.

The Gospel have “the third day since the day they had delivered Him over to be crucified”; Vooks has, Sunday was the third day including the day they had delivered Him over to be crucified. Well then, then Sunday is the third day that they crucified Him. But Luke does not have the First Day of the week is the third day; Luke has "the First Day of the week today, is the third day SINCE they delivered Him over to be crucified.

 

[vooks]

And you have this because "the third day SINCE they delivered Him to be crucified" from "the first day they Killed the passover" Luke 24:21 Luke 22:7, is "today on the First Day of the week" Luke 24:1 and 24:21 which is neither "~the day AFTER tomorrow~" (Vooks) nor "~nothing else~" (Vooks).

'First day since they killed the passover' is a figment of your fertile but wild Boer hallucination

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

'First day since they killed the passover' is a figment of your fertile but wild Boer hallucination

I wrote above: Quote "the third day SINCE they delivered Him to be crucified" from "the first day they Killed the passover" Luke 24:21Luke 22:7, is "today on the First Day of the week" Luke 24:1 and 24:21End quote.

You obviously glaringly shamelessly out of context, MISS-quote me.
Again, you just QUOTE me where I wrote, and when and in what context I wrote, "~'First day since they killed the passover'~"! YOU CAN'T!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

We are witnessing what it means and what it is to worship Sunday as one’s god and saviour.

 

[Hark]

"The angel of the Lord" cast the stone away from the tomb-door. Angels have only one Law and one Lawgiver ---God Himself. Angels don't keep Sabbath-rest. Only God does ---through "the all-exceeding exercise of his mighty power having raised Christ from the dead" -- HIS HOLY REST. Ephesians 1:19,20. The Resurrection of Christ from the dead was God's ULTIMATE REST on the Sabbath.

If the angels have one Law and one Lawgiver Whom is God Himself and yet God rests on Saturday, then they would be following God Himself, but I do not believe you can apply the angels that way to God nor apply God to be resting on every sabbath day when the sabbath day was created for man as that day of the week being significant was when God rested from all His labors in creation.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

God can defy the laws of physics that He has set in creation, and so God is not limited to the sabbath day as if God was under the law to rest every sabbath day as if He is still creating the rest of the day of that week when He created the sabbath day for man.

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Since every child born is a fruit of the womb from the Lord, you can't say that God is not working on the sabbath day when children are born on the sabbath day.

And remember, Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day; the sabbath day is not "lord" over Jesus. He healed on the sabbath day to prove it.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The point was that the women were wondering whom would roll the stone away for them on Sunday so they can anoint His body. I am sure they were not considering an angel to do the job for them on what you claim to be the sabbath day.

If the women were wondering whom would roll the stone away for them, then it had to be Sunday, otherwise, they ought to know that no one would roll the stone away for them on the sabbath day, and thus they would be going to the tomb for nothing.

May God cause the increase.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

'First day since they killed the passover' is a figment of your fertile but wild Boer hallucination

I wrote above: Quote "the third day SINCE they delivered Him to be crucified" from "the first day they Killed the passover"Luke 24:21Luke 22:7, is "today on the First Day of the week"Luke 24:1and 24:21End quote.
You obviously glaringly shamelessly out of context, MISS-quote me.
Again, you just QUOTE me where I wrote, and when and in what context I wrote,"~'First day since they killed the passover'~"! YOU CAN'T!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

If the angels have one Law and one Lawgiver Whom is God Himself and yet God rests on Saturday, then they would be following God Himself, but I do not believe you can apply the angels that way to God nor apply God to be resting on every sabbath daywhen the sabbath day was created for manas that day of the week being significant was when God rested from all His labors in creation.

The angels have one Law and one Lawgiver Who is God Himself.

And there is nothing of “~God rests on Saturday~” in all the Bible. Busy yourself with what is written. Also ‘Saturday’ is non existent in the Bible.

But it is written, “God therefore (because Jesus gave them, the People of God, Rest—Himself) … thus concerning The Seventh Day spake: And God the day The Seventh Day from all his works, rested.” Hebrews 4:4,9.

All God’s works culminated and climaxed in “when He raised Christ from the dead by the all-exceeding greatness of his Power.” Ephesians 1:19,20. Therefore Jesus resurrected on the day The Seventh Day when God thus rested. It wasn’t the the First Day of the week when God thus from all his works rested; it was on the Seventh Day the day God rested on from all his works— from all his works IN CHRIST JESUS!

The Greek ‘apo’—‘apo pantohn tohn ergohn autou’—, means,

“God from all his works rested”; or “God ‘apo’—by agency of having finished all his works, the Seventh Day, rested”; or “God rested the Seventh Day ‘apo’—due to all his works God finished the Seventh Day”; or “God rested ‘apo’—on account of all his works which He had finished the Seventh Day.

Therefore God not “~ever since … rested from having finished his creation~”. Rest from his work of creation is not God’s work of rest on the Sabbath; his resting on the Sabbath is God’s work of, the Sabbath Day. “God hallowed” and “God blessed the Seventh Day because He on the day The Seventh Day rested”—, not because of some finishing touches to his work of creation or creating on the Seventh Day. God’s Rest on the Sabbath was God’s Rest of the Sabbath— not God’s Rest “by agency of” or “due to” or “on account of” or “from” “~his creation~”. God’s works on the Sabbath was God’s Rest of the Sabbath.

No one ever “~would be following God Himself~”; man sinned from the beginning because the devil was a murderer from the beginning. It [whatever ‘it’ might be] had nothing to do with angels or with the “~way~”, anyone “~can apply the angels to God …or apply God to be resting on every sabbath day when the sabbath day was created for man.~” Wow!

What is sure and simple though, is that “~that day of the week when God rested~” from all His labours, was the Seventh Day of the week, and that God didn’t rest “~in creation~” on the Seventh Day, but in Jesus Christ since He is “the True Witness and The Beginning of the creation of God”. Revelation 3:14.

What an effort has it been for me! But I think I can honestly say I tried to make something out from what you had to say. Phiew!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

God can defy the laws of physics that He has set in creation, and so God is not limited to the sabbath day as if God was under the law to rest every sabbath day as if He is still creating the rest of the day of that week when He created the sabbath day for man.

God is almighty, so He could IF HE WOULD "~defy the laws of physics that He has set in creation~". But why would He? Why would God have "~set~" those "~laws of physics in creation~" in the first place if He had not WILLED to? Your supposition is moot. So why would God when He could, not be "~limited to the sabbath day~"? As if God was under any law not to rest on the Sabbath Day when He did? Your questioning is moot again. It's much easier to accept like a trusting child what God willed for man's best since the beginning of his creation .... MUCH easier and assuring. . . . "Come unto Me and I will give you rest." If God's offered rest includes "a keeping of the Sabbath Day for the people of God", WHY NOT ACCEPT THE GIFT?! . . . amazing . . .

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And remember, Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day; the sabbath day is not "lord" over Jesus. He healed on the sabbath day to prove it.

Surmising. It's not written ---plainly--- "~the sabbath day is not "lord" over Jesus~". So the supposition is senseless useless and worthless.
And Jesus healed on the Sabbath to prove the Sabbath; not to disprove it or to disprove his own Lordship of being the Lord of the Sabbath.
Besides and over and above that, Jesus' doing healing on the Sabbath showed his own resurrection from the dead on the Sabbath ---to which promise of his to his children Jesus kept and made true Word-of-Promise by actually having raised from the dead "on the Sabbath".
Why make everything Jesus did in fulfillment of God's Word and Promise of his Rest so complex, wearisome and impossible? FOR NOTHING THAN SUNDAY'S SAKE THAT'S WHY!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The point was that the women were wondering whom would roll the stone away for them on Sunday so they can anoint His body. I am sure they were not considering an angel to do the job for them on what you claim to be the sabbath day.


If the women were wondering whom would roll the stone away for them, then it had to be Sunday, otherwise, they ought to know that no one would roll the stone away for them on the sabbath day, and thus they would be going to the tomb for nothing.

“~The point was that the women were wondering whom would roll the stone away for them on Sunday so they can anoint His body.~”


Denied! ~The point~ in Mark 16:3 is made right there, “And they said among themselves, WHO will roll away for us the stone out of the door of the tomb!? “And again measuring it up they realised that the stone had been rolled away upwards despite (the fact) its size was exceedingly big.” ~The point~ was made, the stone is so big, WHO was it WHO rolled it out of the tomb’s doorway for us?” It is impossible any human could do it! That’s ~the point~! Look at the size of the stone! See! It was thrown uphill! Observe the distance away! This is frightening! This is unimaginable! This is amazing! . . . “And they were affrighted . . . and they went out quickly and fled from the tomb trembling and bewildered for fear!” That is ~the point~ made in Mark 16:2-8! Not something not observed or not thoroughly realized; not something still to be done; but something done, however unbelievable it had been!


This visit mentioned in Mark 16:2-8 was of certain women who “very early before sunrise came (to) check up again” or make sure they had seen what they had seen earlier, before in that night— which in fact was when they much earlier, “deepest of morning of night”—‘orthrou batheohs’, “had come to the tomb carrying their spices ready and prepared, and had noticed the stone was away from the tomb [as Mary must have had told them even before that “while early-of-dark still” John 20:1,2] and had entered the sepulchre . . .” (thinking “~they can anoint His body~”) . . . BUT, FOUND NOT THE BODY!” Luke 24:1-3.

 

[Hark]

Are you really keeping the sabbath day, brother?

Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

That would include all the luxuries within your home that strangers outside your home is providing for you as your servants into your home.

Like television; internet services; radio; things that really do not need to be using on the sabbath day for others to rest on that day, but strangers are providing a service that requires them to work on that day for you to enjoy while bragging about keeping the sabbath day.

What about shopping on the sabbath, even those few supplies that you neglected to get the day before? Or how about getting gas? Or eating out?

I have seen sabbath day keepers give grace to themselves when using other people as a means to get what they need but that is the same thing as making a servant work for you on the sabbath day.

Ever wonder how trying to keep the sabbath day and yet claiming to do so when they really are not, makes one a false witness?

How can you minister among your sabbath day people for them to avoid ego tripping at other believers' expense when they don't count others working for them on the sabbath day as a sin?

See how it is a waste of time arguing for the keeping of the sabbath day when you really should be testifying to the Good News in Jesus Christ?

But you can't. Now why is that?

 

[Eliyahu]

Jesus was arrested, tried, sentenced to crucifixion,crucified and died on Friday, and He resurrected early Sunday morning.

Sunday is referred to as the First Day of the week.

The resurrection gave prominence to the First Day of the week so much that after Pentecost, Christians regularly met on this day to commemorate the resurrection.

Then along happened Sabbatarians who are hellbent on keeping sabbath. Holy Spirit reminds us in Romans, God is INDIFFERENT to esteeming a day above others or esteeming all alike. But the Sabbatarians are hard of hearing and they demonize those who don't esteem their day of choice! They take extreme offense at Holy Spirit's indifference to days.

Nothing hurts Sabbatarians more than Sunday worship. They really wish they could rewrite history and steal Sunday's prominence. They go beyond wishing and attempt to shift the resurrection of Jesus Christ from Sunday to Saturday.

Sabbatarianism therefore is the root of all these silly Saturday resurrection theories.

Of all the incontrovertible proof that Jesus resurrected on Sunday, I will pick on the simplest and the most damaging to these pedestrian Sabbatarian theories; the Road to Emmaus

Luke 24:1 (KJV) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Luke 24:13 (KJV)
And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs

Luke 24:18-21 (KJV)
And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done

Here is the short version;
1. On Sunday morning, some women visited Jesus' tomb to finish up the burial process
2. On the same Sunday but in the evening, two disciples encountered Jesus Christ as they walked to Emmaus
3. They tell Jesus that Sunday was the THIRD day since 'these things' which refer to the arrest, sentencing,crucifixion,and death of Jesus Christ.

If Sunday was the THIRD day, then Saturday was the SECOND day, and Friday was the FIRST day which is when 'these things' happened. Had Jesus died on any other day such as Thursday or Wednesday, one wonders what day Thursday and Wednesday would have been. Furthermore, had Jesus resurrected on Saturday, he would have, according to these two disciples, risen the SECOND day since his passion!

Next we will look at some silly counter-arguments against this simple proof that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday

The discovery of Resurrection was done on Sunday, no argument can exist.

Where is it mentioned that Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week?

Mark 16:9 ? Read TR in Greek.

Luke 24:21 mentions the third day after all the events, maybe even including the Passover Sabbath.

Third day concept is different from 3 days and 3 nights issue as it can indicate a certain neutral day.

I don't believe Jesus was in the tomb only for 36 hours.


Eliyahu

 

[vooks]

The discovery of Resurrection was done on Sunday, no argument can exist.

Where is it mentioned that Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week?

Mark 16:9 ? Read TR in Greek.

Luke 24:21 mentions the third day after all the events, maybe even including the Passover Sabbath.

Third day concept is different from 3 days and 3 nights issue as it can indicate a certain neutral day.

I don't believe Jesus was in the tomb only for 36 hours.


Eliyahu

First,
Do you believe that in scriptures the THIRD day from today is the day after tomorrow?

If you need proof, I will give you tons of it.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

First,
Do you believe that in scriptures the THIRD day from today is the day after tomorrow?

If you need proof, I will give you tons of it.

I'd like to see your tons of proof of today, February 17 2016 is in "~scripture~". Forget "~the THIRD day from today~" which will be February 20 2016 I presume. But I'm bad with numbers. So, not too much at once or I won't be able to keep up with your proof.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Are you really keeping the sabbath day, brother?

Who are you speaking to, ~brother~? If to another than GE, I'm not interested. If to me, GE, What do you mean with such question to me? It's of no interest to you, I would say.


Whichever, it's a totally irrelevant question requiring an equally irrelevant answer. It's none of your business and IT IS NOT THE ISSUE UNDER DISCUSSION!


But as I said before, I am an old ape and I can discover any bobbejaanklapper from under the elephant dung.


You have one aim with this silly question of yours put to me, and that is to provoke me to a few things like anger and or despair, but mainly to provoke me to start boasting about how good I am at keeping the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD.


Can’t you read? the Sabbath is, “the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF, THE LORD, GOD”. It’s not my day or my keeping which “made the Sabbath”, “the Sabbath : OF : THE LORD : GOD”, but HIS, “Holy Day” HE, “made” and “rested on” and “keeps” HE, being “The Son of Man Who keeps the Sabbath and protects it from being profaned”.


The same nonsensical sentimental kind of answer as your nonsensical sentimental explanation of Sabbath-keeping you should please not expect of old GE. His bones are too dry already for such supple moralising.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Are you really keeping the sabbath day, brother?

Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

That would include all the luxuries within your home that strangers outside your home is providing for you as your servants into your home.

Like television; internet services; radio; things that really do not need to be using on the sabbath day for others to rest on that day, but strangers are providing a service that requires them to work on that day for you to enjoy while bragging about keeping the sabbath day.

What about shopping on the sabbath, even those few supplies that you neglected to get the day before? Or how about getting gas? Or eating out?

I have seen sabbath day keepers give grace to themselves when using other people as a means to get what they need but that is the same thing as making a servant work for you on the sabbath day.

Ever wonder how trying to keep the sabbath day and yet claiming to do so when they really are not, makes one a false witness?

How can you minister among your sabbath day people for them to avoid ego tripping at other believers' expense when they don't count others working for them on the sabbath day as a sin?

See how it is a waste of time arguing for the keeping of the sabbath day when you really should be testifying to the Good News in Jesus Christ?

But you can't. Now why is that?

There’s the judge again ~in you~ . . . but can't help himself.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The discovery of Resurrection was done on Sunday, no argument can exist.

Where is it mentioned that Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week?

Mark 16:9 ? Read TR in Greek.

Luke 24:21 mentions the third day after all the events, maybe even including the Passover Sabbath.

Third day concept is different from 3 days and 3 nights issue as it can indicate a certain neutral day.

I don't believe Jesus was in the tomb only for 36 hours.


Eliyahu

“~The discovery of Resurrection was done on Sunday, no argument can exist.~”


No argument the Resurrection was done in the sense of ‘happened’ on Sunday? Sure, “~no argument can exist~” that it happened on Sunday.


No argument the Resurrection was done in the sense of ‘was finished / was past’ on Sunday? Sure, “~no argument can exist~” that Jesus’ Resurrection was not over on Sunday.