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If a Catholic believes they are saved by faith in Jesus Christ and that he does not believe the works of catholicism is necessary, no one can see his faith if he remains in it when part of the work of salvation by the Catholic Church is by being a member of that Catholic church.

A lot of Baptists and other denomenational christians ( not all ) would insist that if a believer believes in that way, they should leave the Catholic church in order for that person's faith to shine to his fellow Catholics in that church as well as to others outside of that Catholic church that he is saved by faith alone.

When a Protestant church engage in dead works that deny the faith in Him as being able to help us to follow Him by faith alone, then no one can see that person's faith when they are among believers in religious bondages that speaks of their will to finish by the flesh by keeping that commitment to follow Christ or to keep the seven promises of the Promise Keepers program or more.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

If believers that live by faith in Jesus Christ and all His promises to us that He will be our Good Shepherd in helping us to follow Him, then they need Him to set them free from all religious bondages to rest in Him so that every one will see their faith that He will do it which is to His glory.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

My staying with my faith in Him did nothing for the Protestant churches, and so my leaving is by my faith in Him in having no fellowship with works of darkness so that my faith in Him may shine apart from that errant church.

 

I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Would you rephrase it?


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Looks like there is darkness all around you and you are the ONLY light. How about you start your own light filled fellowship?

 

You can say that again. If you are too clean for any fellowship, then you are wallowing in heaven high delusion

 

...And with a bit over 300 posts since 2012. *laugh*

 

The just shall live by faith in the Son of God and all of His promises to us as our Good Shepherd that He will help us to follow Him as His disciples.

The moment a believer makes commitments and promises to do that which we are supposed to be relying on Him for, they are departing from that faith in Him to help us to follow Him.

It is a double-minded state to say I believe in Jesus Christ and that He will help me to follow Him, but it is another to say I am doing the best I can by keeping my commitment to follow Him and keep the seven promises of the Promise Keepers program too.

It is one or the other. Faith in the Son of God or confidence in the flesh to do it. To do both, then all people can see is the religious believer keeping his commitment and his promises to God, and it should be clear that is not the power for living the christian life. No. It is far from it.

And so like a believer in the Catholic church that believes he is saved simply by believing in Jesus Christ and that he does not need to do the works of catholicism to save himself, as long as he is a member of the Catholic church which is part of the work of having to save yourself by, no one can see that believer's faith in Jesus Christ as long as he is in that Catholic church.

So in that same sense, as long as that believer is under those commitment to follow Christ and any extras like the Promise Keepers' program, no one is going to see his faith in Jesus Christ as the power for living the christian life as we rely on Him all the time as our Good Shepherd in following Him, thus the just shall live by faith alone.

 

Too many powerful enemies, brother. And some of them are christians too, judging me by a standard that they are not under themselves.

You will not believe it even if it was happening to you, too, especially when we are living in America.

But Jesus is still Lord. Signs of the times where faith is hard to find, but ego tripping at other people's expense is everywhere.

 

Unless, of course, the former church you had gone to was compromising to social values. Not sure how you can stay clean in there.

But it is not about that. It is about keeping the faith which is the good fight.

But if a church wants to defend their commitments, their promises, their pledges, and even their covenant of giving for all generations, then my faith in Him and His promises to us as being sufficient that He needs no commitments and promises from us, then my trusting Him for all things even for the power to follow Him is not going to be seen in that church at all.

 

There is a name for that. Delusional paranoia

 

EVERY cult I can think originated from a perception of 'come out from among them'

Take the plunge bro...gather around you like minded faithful S who have not bowed to Baal

 

It is not paranoia if it is true, but you do have a habit for sowing antagonism.

 

Like minded faithful.... that is the problem, brother.

 

I can see that; there is none like you in all the earth

 

and here I was thinking Pharisee went extinct

 

And if they make a promise and a commitment and ARE relying on Jesus, then what? Supposing someone makes a commitment to increase their offering by 5% per week over the previous year? Anything wrong with that? Suppose someone makes a commitment to go on a missions trip?

What is it with your Promise Keepers obsession? Anyway, if someone asks the Lord to help them to keep the promises of the Promise Keepers that would be OK in your view?

You are contradicting yourself. If a believer trusts in Jesus only, but remains in the Catholic church, he is not staying there because he thinks he needs to stay in there to be saved, he must be staying in there for some other reason. If you don't think a truly saved person that continues to attend a Catholic church cannot show his faith in Jesus, you are limiting the power of an almighty God. I believe that person should come out of the Catholic church, but still, they can be a testimony to other Catholics while still in there.

You seem to think you have a firm grasp on how other people will perceive what a true Christian is. I would submit most people who see a person that does not attend church will not perceive that person as having faith in Jesus.

 

Wouldn't that be like seeing a criminal Law enforcement Officer?




God bless.

 

That is not how making a promise or a commitment mean.

When God makes a promise and said He is going to do it, then all that requires from us is to believe Him. Trusting Him at His word is how and why by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd,we are pleasing God.

God told us in according to His word, what it means to make a promise or commitment to God; and when it is your promise; you are to do ALL that proceeds out of your mouth. Numbers 30:2

That is why we are to be careful about making promises because we are required by Him to keep them; that means it cannot remain undone or unfinished; that also means no one should make a promise that is so generalized that no one can say it is finished.. like making a promise to be a GOOD FATHER. Who is good, but God?

Ecclesiastes 5:5-6 testifies that God is angry with unpaid vows. He also points out that a vow is a testimony of the man's work; not God's. And what is clear also is that a vow can cause the flesh to sin, because by that vow is the knowledge of sin.

Jesus spoke of how people of old times had performed their oaths to the Lord, but He said not do it at all; not even by swearing; Matthew 5:33-34 The reason why is because we can't make one hair on our head, white or black; Matthew 5:36 Again, a man's oath is the work of his hands. Therefore trusting Jesus to finish what He has started in us Philippians 1:6 is the call to every believer to live by faith in the Son of God rather than by keeping their promises as if the power for living the christian life came from doing that.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, ......., boasters, proud,......,3 ....., trucebreakers, ...., despisers of those that are good, 4 ......, heady, highminded, .....5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Corinthians 11:20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, ....

Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

You can set goals and say God be willing, you shall reach that goal, but not by a pledge or commitment.

James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

James wasn't even talking about making pledges either, but just everyday communication., but he did warn against it.

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

Again, it would not be okay in God's view in according to His words.

If that believer trusts in Jesus only, and yet is a member of the Catholic church which is part of the works of catholicism in saving yourself, other Catholics will have a hard time believing him or her. In other words, that believer may say He trusts in Jesus Christ as His Savior that he is saved simply by believing in Him, but all Catholics is going to see is someone weak in faith because he is still in the Catholic church. That believer will come across as someone that says he does not believe catholicism is necessary, but then he is still there as if playing it safe in case he is wrong. So his faith is like a lamp being under a bushel. It gets worse if he participates in the Mass too. Catholics will think "oh yeah.. sure you do. You don't really believe that you are saved by faith in Jesus Christ after all."

No one can know what a person believes until they share their faith. I doubt church members talk about their faith in general before or after church services. It's usually just social chatter and small talk. Not all the time, mind you, but again, you do not know until people start sharing their faith in Jesus Christ.

 

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God bless.