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Featured Another Blow to Saturday Resurrection sababatarian theory!

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  1. vooks

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    Luke 13:32 (KJV)
    And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

    (a) Today
    (b) Tommorow
    (c) Third Day

    From the words of our Lord and Savior, THIRD day is the day after tomorrow. Working backwards, from the day after tomorrow, today is the third day.

    This particular verse may/may not have been talking about his death and this is irrelevant, as all it helps us with is reckoning the THIRD day. Now let's look at a specific reference to His death.

    Mark 9:31 (KJV)
    For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day    .

    So Jesus would rise the third day after he is killed.

    Sabbatarians in a bid to shift Jesus' resurrection from Sunday to Saturday their idol day, invent all manner of arguments but with one thing in common; Jesus died on Wednesday.

    But if Jesus was killed on Wednesday, the third day would fall on FridayRoflmaoLaugh

    Now,
    What this means is whatever duration you reckon of Jesus' death, his resurrection MUST have happened the day after the day he died. If there was any sense in Sabbatarian camp, they'd settle on Thursday as the day he died and Saturday as the day He resurrected
     
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    John 2:19-22 (KJV)
    Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

    So our Lord and savior says He will raise his own body in three days. This means resurrecting in three days or the third day point to the same amount of time.
     
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    Maybe but we should at least use all the scriptures concerning the topic. Jesus in John 11 spoke of day and night with the day part containing twelve hours. That is a fact. Jesus also said the Son of Man would be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Peter said David was speaking of the resurrection of Christ in that his soul would not be left in Hades.

    Now lets assume Christ died at three in the afternoon on Wednesday sending his soul to Hades and his soul was in Hades three days and three nights relative to the twelve hours of daytime in a day; What time and on what day would his soul have departed Hades?
     
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    Day and night has repeatedly been pointed out as an idiom. I don't see it that way, I see it as a synonym of day. So if you embark on a fast on Monday at 0600H and break on Tuesday 1800H, in first century, you could have said you had gone without water or food for two days and two nights

    We have THREE days, we also have THIRD DAY and we have THREE DAYS & THREE NIGHTS.

    A sensible question would be, of all these three phrases which point to exact same duration of Jesus' death, which can we positively confirm from the scriptures its exact duration?

    I say we work with THIRD DAY
    THIRD DAY is the commonest and I just gave a shining example. Do you need others?

    Once again, here is my logic;
    1. THIRD DAY=THREE DAYS & THREE NIGHTS= THREE DAYS
    2. THIRD DAY is the day after tomorrow or the day before yesterday

    Conclusion
    THREE DAYS & THREE NIGHTS or THREE DAYS = day after tomorrow.
     
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    The Sabbatarian preferred route of taking three days and three nights as three daytimes and three nighttimes is fraught with logical contradiction

    It stretches the time Jesus spent on the tomb to four calendar days and as such it contradicts the biblical clear evidence of the third day being the day after tomorrow.

    To get around this, proponents of this theory force the fourth day to be the third day so that it may fit with the Jesus rising the THIRD DAY narrative. But why would Jesus' resurrection account suffer a different time reckoning than elsewhere in th scriptures including his own words?
     
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    True; but it also ~points to the same amount~ of days. Not so?
     
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    Re:
    "~The Sabbatarian preferred route of taking three days and three nights as three daytimes and three nighttimes is fraught with logical contradiction~"

    Kindly, dear Vooks, don't 'generalise' so unfairly?

    What you are here defining, "~It stretches the time Jesus spent on the tomb to four calendar days and as such it contradicts the biblical clear evidence of the third day being the day after tomorrow.~" is not "~Sabbatarian preferred route~". It is the WC preferred route!
     
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    Vooks, with all due respect, no one is asking for your ~logic~. Everybody is only asking for Scripture. You NEVER give us Scripture, just your ~logic~ and never another ~example~ of your ~logic~ than this one!
     
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    Use English to express yourself
     
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    Gerhard,
    With all due respect DEDUCTION is part of how we gain knowledge. All my deductions are derived from biblical facts and they make sense to all but the brain dead.

    You for once failed to prove an angel-less visit to the tomb by women yet you tout it as facts. Shameless boer
     
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    The bulk of consumers and purveyors of this nonsense are Sabbatarians so my point remains
     
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    Matthew 12:40 doesn't say "~hades~";
    Matthew 12:40 doesn't say "~sending to Hades~";
    Matthew 12:40 doesn't say "~departed Hades~";
    Matthew 12:40 doesn't say "~his soul~";

    Matthew 12:40 says, retrospectively "the Son of Man shall have been in the heart of the earth, three days and three nights".

    It says it of the Divine Human Being "the Son of Man" the Son of God ---the whole Man of Nazareth of whatever constituted his constitution of body, person, spirit flesh and blood, mind and soul ---the very One and Same who in PERSON, SUFFERED alive, living, willing, consciously, obediently at once fulfilling all his Father's will, Eternal Purpose and Council in Full Fellowship of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Yes, I regret I have to agree with the fact; you're right about the "~bulk~". But you're wrong to generalise. You, dear Vooks, are not God the Only Judge.
     
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    Show me any non Sabbatarian who holds on to this.

    It is not judging to associate them with this madness.
     
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    All right, I'll phrase my protest like this,

    Vooks, with all due respect, no one is asking for your ~DEDUCTION~. Everybody is only asking for Scripture. You NEVER give us Scripture, just your ~DEDUCTION~ and never another ~example~ of your ~DEDUCTION~ than this one!


    And the ~logic~ of your ~DEDUCTION~ is nowhere better illustrated than in your hackneyed : FALSE : allegation against me that I “~tout as fact~”, “~an angel-less visit to the tomb by women~”.

    Now you quote me where I did . . . waiting . . .

    It shouldn’t take you long to find a place where I tried “~to prove~” it because I have posted the visits made by women at the grave dozens and dozens of times on BB.
     
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    It's irrelevant now, what "~non Sabbatarian(s) ... hold on to~", but I think "~any non Sabbatarian~" won't take it lightly that you "~associate them [or him or her] with this madness~".
     
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    If I drank beer, Vooks old chap, I’ would have offered you one on the compliment, from you, so by my kool! So wrintie, this “~shameless Boer~” is basking in his moment's Vooks sun.

    Angel, see that the dogs don’t lie in the doorway when I get home, I might fall and brake ... a ... hip! See you maybe midnight; me and Vooks are going to ‘church’ now . . . What you say?! --- You remember, that, ‘church’? OK? Cheers then!
     
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    You're alright, Vooks? Vooks! You're alright?!
     
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    You are wasting my time.
    Here is my CLAIM
    THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS=THREE DAYS=THIRD DAY from scriptures

    Evidence?
    All three phrases were used to indicate the duration over which Jesus would be dead

    I have done this on the relevant thread and even highlighted your response. In bold and red. It would be derailing this thread to post your garbage here. Let's meet on that thread. Please
     
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    Except there is no such no -Sabbatarian in the first place. Once again your thinking has lived up to its true self; hollow
     
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