Featured Are members of the Church left behind in the Rapture?

Indeed, I was referring to lost church members in my comments above. I firmly believe that ALL the saved will be taken in the rapture all at once. Not one of God's children will be left behind. Jesus clearly taught that no believer will "come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24)

At the moment of our salvation, when we appropriated Christ's substitutionary atonement, we were immediately, not eventually acceptable to God. We were immediately reconciled to God.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

This body will never be split into two parts. We are one body and Christ is the head (Ephesians 5:30). There will not be a mutilated and disfigured body presented to Christ.

 

It's not off topic when I am applying John 15 th chapter to proving that some saints will be left behind for not abiding in Him & His words as His disciples.

Non-believers are not part of the vine to be cut off. John 15:6

It is by abiding in Him and His words is how a believer is His disciple as being a part of that vine to bear fruit.

 

Understandable. It does seem like you are not seeing how I am applying what we are reading, so I guess we agree to disagree.

May God bless you too.

 

I dunno...

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Seems to me that a saved believer is held accountable for what he sows towards; the works of the flesh or the fruits of the Spirit.

Awful lot of warning for saved believers to just say that they would never be sowing after the flesh to receive condemnation.

Even James warned the brethren not to swear an oath unless they fall under condemnation. James 5:12

So like Paul taught excommunication in 1 Corinthians 5th chapter, so will God do at the pre trib rapture because I believe that is when God will judge His House first. That is how a believer becomes a vessel unto dishonor in His House by being a castaway and thus left behind.

Even Paul mentioned the danger of not bringing his body under subjection which is more than a loss of rewards of crowns, but to become a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27

Luke 12:40-49 shows His servants being cut off to have their portions with the unbelievers and thus receiving lashes for not being ready. Hebrews 12:1-2

2 Timothy 2:19-21 testifies to two kinds of vessels in His House; and I believe the vessels unto dishonor for not departing from iniquity are the castaways that will be received later on after the great tribulation.

1 Corinthians 3:10-17 shows that a believer will be judged in that day by fire by what he has built on that foundation; and anyone defiling the temple of God, him, God will destroy with physical death.

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So, yes. God is coming to judge His House first at the pre trib rapture. 1 Peter 4:17 I can trust Him as our faithful Creator to keep the souls of the saints that will suffer the fire & subsequent great tribulation.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I doubt any of these words are for unbelievers.

 

This is not two classifications of believers; this is simply a description of the believer. Those who are saved do not walk after the flesh but rather after the Spirit. Does the saved man yield to the flesh at times? Indeed he does, but that no longer defines him. He has "put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

Notice in the passage I just referenced (Ephesians 4) that Paul encouraged these Christians to put away any works of the flesh that might be an issue for them; yet, he never warned them about being left behind when the Lord comes to catch His Bride away.

I disagree with your conclusion that Paul is talking about the excommunication of a believer here.

[COMMENT]Even Paul mentioned the danger of not bringing his body under subjection which is more than a loss of rewards of crowns, but to become a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27[/COMMENT]
Paul is simply referring to one's usefulness to the Lord - a being put on the shelf, if you will.
I do not have the time to go passage by passage and explain why I disagree with your conclusions. I feel that you have a forgone conclusion and you pack it with passages taken out of context or parables from which it is unwise to state acquire doctrine.

 

I saw it as a warning as well as a promise for believers that do not walk after the flesh.

If that was true, then there would be no need to warn them about sowing to the works of the flesh or how God is not mocked if they think they can get away with it.

That means saved believers have to put them away with His help or risk not receiving that inheritance of being that vessel unto honor in His House.

1 Corinthians 5 th chapter addresses the brother in fornication. He did not say he was not a brother for doing that.

2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 and 2 Thessalonians 3;14-15 has those wicked and unreasonable men that have not faith that follow after the traditions taught of us to not be treated as the enemy, but admonish as brothers.

So there is excommunication & withdrawing from those saved believers not abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes which is why Jesus is telling His disciples to be ready.

It is to gain rewards of crown by running that race, and the cost for not winning is to be a castaway.

Thank you for the time and posting shared, but there are still contentions in regards to the scripture since I find these truths still opposing your application which is popular among believers today about the rapture.

Explain 2 Timothy 2:19-21 on how the vessel unto dishonor in His House are those believers in iniquity? How can any one in iniquity be received by the Holy God for the Marriage Supper? This is why I believe these saints left behind are those that did not depart from iniquity and are to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

 

I Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

All children of God, dead or alive, will be changed. We will all be caught up together. There will be none left behind. That is my humble opinion based upon my understand of the Word of God.

 

Below is the teaching of how the cares of this life, even with commitments and promises, can be a snare as it can be seen as excusing oneself from the Marriage Supper, because they love this life and are committed to the things of this life more than being free and ready in going to the Marriage Supper at any moment which is the pre trib rapture event.


Luke 14:15-24

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15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

Below is to the pre trib rapture event.


Matthew 22:1-14

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22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Both in the context of the Rapture from the portion of the scripture you have shown.

Dead works can void faith and that is how a saved believer can be found without his wedding garment.

 

I understand your point of view, but earlier, it was written that there is Christ the firstfruits, and then they that be Christ's at His coming, as citing an order by which all men in Christ shall be made alive.

Your p.o.v. can still be maintained, but it is because in light of other scripture is why I see two groups as they that be Christ's at His coming also includes saints left behind for not abiding in Him as His disciples.

If you take in account the three angels that will set up the hour of temptation that will try all on the earth AFTER the rapture where after the first angel spread the everlasting gospel to everyone, then the second angel heralds the fall of Babylon which goes into detail in Revelation 18 th chapter as these saints are made to rest from their labors as their works follow them. ( hint: they were laboring in unbelief in coming short of that rest in Jesus like the works of catholicism or the commitment to follow Christ or the seven promises of the Promise Keepers program )

Now if they were new believers due to the everlasting gospel and then bam, Babylon falls soon after the pre trib rapture where the voice of the bride & bridegroom will no longer be heard in her any more, because that call to the Marriage Supper has come and gone, how can these saints have any works following them when they have no time to do any such work? That is why I believe those saints left behind were the ones laboring in unbelief which Paul warned believers in Hebrews to fear ( Hebrews 4:1-3 ) So any work of iniquity that denies Him ( Titus 1:15-16 ) they will be denied by Him ( 2 Timothy 2:12 ) but even though they believe not, He still abides in them, even those that just believe in His name ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ) as promised ( John 1:12-13 & John 6:39 )

I submit that Paul was speaking in regards to those IN Christ as abiding in Him as His disciples to be the firstfruits which he was referring to in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 as that "we all firstfruit" group when that happens.

 

As far as I can see from what you had quoted, yes.

Many are called, but few are chosen would go from what Jesus was talking about the Jews rejecting the chief cornerstone in Matthew 21 st chapter to those that did not reject the chief cornerstone, but still favored this life over the King's supper, thus the slaying shows how much they were disrespecting that invite in the eyes of God as they killed the messenger, they were killing the invites as well. So any saint left behind for favoring this life is going to face that fire coming on the earth.

Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

More of a fire on the world than eternal fire.

I find that portion you are referring to in Matthew 25 th chapter is the end of the milleniel reign after Satan's last rebellion as judgment on the generation coming out of that reign on earth to be judged. I do not see it connected to these other scriptural references at all, brother.

Matthew 22:1-14

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22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

Invite to the Marriage Supper that neither the disciples nor ourselves have received yet?

I believe the parable when after the servants get killed, and then the Son was sent, I believe you are thinking of that one as pertaining to Israel's rejection of the Son.

But I do not see the above reference to what you are saying yet.

Matthew 23:37

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37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

I believe that reference in Matthew 23 is Israel rejecting the gospel as well as all the prophets before that gospel was sent.

You may be surprise on how many believers get re-baptized again.

I am sure you know that many believers are still seeking to save themselves too.

Hebrews 6

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6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

There are believers who feel they can lose salvation and then believe they have to be saved again. It is apostasy, but it has and can happen.

I do not read scripture as saying that. If a person abiding in the vine is not bearing fruit, he will get cut off.

Matthew 13:8

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8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Actually, most of that parable testify to receiving the seed, but some did not always bear fruit as a disciple would.

Matthew 7:17-20

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17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

That is about recognizing a false prophet. Say for example; the fruit of a false prophet will be ecumenical in nature in gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles. The tree versus fruit analogy is whatever the means or common denomenator is of that ecumenicalism, if it is even seen as producing an evil fruit, then that means.. as in that tree, is all bad.

Like.. Promise Keepers program....the commitment to follow Christ... ecumenical in nature, refusing to convert any from their denomenations and that includes Catholics, then that means is of evil as it places a yoke of bondage on believers that Jesus nor any of His disciples taught.

Or like the movements of the "Spirit" where signs and lying wonders come by means of seeking the Holy Spirit to come to receive after a sign like David Wilkerson bad mouths the "holy laughter" movement but he, himself, will pray for the Holy Spirit to come into the worship place to feel the Presence of the Holy Spirit IN the worship place. It is the same tree, therefore what David was experiencing was also the spirit of the antichrist.

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I never said that God stops dwelling within them. They will be denied by Him ( 2 Timothy 2:12 ) entrance for being in iniquity still ( Matthew 7:23 & Titus 1:15-16 ), unless they repent by His help & by His grace before the Bridegroom comes. He still abides in former believers, ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ) but they also are naked of their wedding garment unless they look to Him for help to discern the lies that overthrow their faith to depart from that iniquity of unbelief.

Which is why saints left behind are still His and He still abides in them.

Without disregarding the warning of consequences given to believers since believers can still sin by sowing to the flesh or go astray or allow the cares of this life to make them not want to leave when the Bridegroom comes.

That is why I need His help to even keep my hope on Him to help me to follow Him since I trust Him to be my Good Shepherd too. 1 John 3:3 & 2 Timothy 4:18

Just as Peter's eyes were taken off of the Lord Jesus on the waters to the winds and waves of the storm, so can any believer in this life. This is where trusting the Lord for all things, including when we are overwhelm is important because trusting Him to take care of us no matter what is Him helping us to keep our eyes on Him in the midst of our storms in life.

May God bless you too.