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The ten lost tribes of Israel

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    Please tell me that this is NOT a video espousing the British Israelites.
     
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    The "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel" is a doctrine of men rooted in a racist attitude.

    Judah consisted of all tribes, these ten were not dispersed abroad and "lost:"


    2 Chronicles 11:13-16

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    13 And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts.

    14 For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the Lord:

    15 And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.

    16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the Lord God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the Lord God of their fathers.


    God bless.
     
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    That only says that those who set their hearts to seek the Lord. History shows us where the rest went. Have you forgot this verse?

    James 1:1
    James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
     
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    It's an interesting concept to call it racist. You same people will read of the curse placed on Ham and think it just. You will decide that a Jew is an Israleite and therefore worthy of much great benefits. Or that this Jew/Israelite will be somehow turned back to God. You incorrectly equate a gentile to a non Israelite and say he will be given the outer court in the mellenium. So who is a racist? Rodger has done an amazing job of using real history to show who the modern Israelites are. Raymond E Capt, and Dr Stephen Jones have also done good works in this regard. Most dispy's need to be separate from the Jews/Israelites for their faith only salvation to work.
     
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    Not Britsh, Anglo Saxons and many other Europeans.
     
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    Specifically who else apart from Brits?
     
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    Anyone of Nordic ancestry which include the French, the Germans, the Dutch etc. Anglo Saxon means angelic sons of Isaac.
     
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    Oh, Puh-Leeze...
     
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    You are actually canceling out your own argument. James makes it clear that the twelve tribes are still in existence.

    Revelation makes it clear that in the Tribulation Israel will still be intact, and with the exception of Dan, there will be 12,000 sealed from every Tribe.

    It does not matter that is states "those who set their hearts...," the relevant issue is...

    2 Chronicles 11:13-16

    King James Version (KJV)

    13 And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts.

    14 For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the Lord:

    15 And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.

    16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the Lord God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the Lord God of their fathers.


    But of course, if we do not embrace all of Scripture we cannot found our views on what it states. If we are in the habit of only accepting what accommodates what we want to believe, then it becomes very easy to embrace views which are obviously in error in relation to what God has given us.

    So while you might be able to present a view of "The One Lost Tribe," you will never be able to support that ten Tribes have been lost.

    As I said, this view has it's roots in racism, and I seem to remember one of your videos as being anti-Semitic.

    Coincidence?

    I think not.


    God bless.
     
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    It's not a concept, it is the fundamental characteristic for people who buy into this nonsense. As far as Ham...?

    As far as a Jew being an Israelite, this is just common knowledge. The term "Jew" derives from Judah, and was a term used to speak of the inhabitants of the Southern Kingdom. And as shown in the above Scripture, all tribes who sought to worship God according to the Law returned to Judah.

    And I incorrectly equate a gentile to a non Israelite? As far as Gentiles given the outer court, first, could you quote me on that? Secondly, was God racist when He distinguished between Jew and Gentile?

    As far as Rodger goes, again, we see that you have embraced extra-biblical teaching in favor of the Word of God. You take Rodger, I'll take Paul, and when we get to Heaven I will do my best not to say "See...told ya!" lol

    Bob, you have embraced much error. My only suggestion is that you spend some time in the Word of God and forego you-tube for a while.


    God bless.
     
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    Who said the tribes are not intact? It just no longer matters for salvation. How could I have an anti-Semitic view if I am physically related to Abraham? My view was not formed first and then supported after. But instead I held your views and was forced to change when confronted with the truth.

    There is nothing Semitic about the modern Jews. They have no claim to Abraham genetically or spiritually as a people. It has been proven that they are of Japheth and joined Judaism by conversion in the 8th century.

    Israel was to proud. But God has been faithful to them. It was through Europe that the gospel came to the world. The Europeans have predominantly been those telling the world about Christ. God has promised to sanctify all who come to Him through His beloved Son. But He will also add to the church the 144,000 pure blood Israelites to show his faithfulness to His promise.

    Tell me what color was Esau's hair? How many red haired Jews do you know?
     
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    So then tell me, if what you say is true how does one physically become a Jew?

    Esther 8:17
     
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    The outer court.

    Revelation 11:2
    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
     
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    I'll ask you too, what color hair did Easu have?
     
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    Again you assume you know what my views are.


    God bless.
     
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    One does not physically "become" a Jew. One is either born as a Jew or they are not. One does not become a spiritual Jew in the sense that their heritage changes, but this refers to what is in view in this passage, adopting that which associates one with what it means to be a Jew. And that is the Old Testament means of relationship with God. Israel was a created Nation, not a chosen nation, for God brought them into existence. Those who rejected that relationship and illustrated this through disobedience are those who are not "spiritual Jews."

    For this Age...there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Greek). There is the Body of Christ.

    That does not mean that we nullify Prophecy and disregard the fact that Israel, identified by Tribes, will be present in the Tribulation.

    They have not been lost.

    They have not been dispersed to become the White European Nations.

    Those who are Jews are always identified as Jews when they are in foreign lands.


    God bless.
     
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    Why not Nordic-Israelism instead of British-Israelism?
     
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    I would suggest you learn the difference between the Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom, Bob.


    God bless.
     
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    Oh, that's right...no-one in Israel ever hated other Tribes, did they?


    God bless.
     
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