Featured The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

Maybe that was a faux pas on my part. I did say figurative language.

 

The a-millennialist denies the 1,000 year reign here on earth, but sees it as ongoing right now. We see Him reigning now and in the consummation of all things, executing judgment on the condemned and gathers unto Himself the elect of God.

 

He had limited access. That's not control, imo.

 

All the allegory I have ever been taught in Revelation are from your camp ironically.
John represents the church
The land that the beast comes out of represents the Jewish nation
The sea that the other beast comes from represent gentile nations
The 24 elders represent the church.
The women represent Israel.
Just to name a few of the allegory i was taught.

By the way check out Gal 4

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Are you an amill now, Sister?

 

Yes DC argued me into that camp a while ago.

 

Hallelujah!!

 

Ironically the more I have studied the Amill position from actual Amill people, and not just reading what those that oppose it say about it the more I'm discovering that the Amill people I read take the Bible more literally than the "literalist" camp does. It's been an Ironic study to say the least.

 

Yes, I am a literalist. So the question is: When I read those chapters, I ask myself the question, what did John really see when he was transported to heaven? What was he trying to describe.

I will give you an example. Quite a few years ago I was on the mission field for a lengthy period of time with my family. CD players had not yet been invented when I left. We used cassettes. If you had told me before I left that when I came back I would be listening to music from a machine that: "would use flashing laser lights to record and read back information from the shiny metal discs...the only thing that touches the CD is a beam of light: the laser beam bounces harmlessly off the surface of the CD, so the disc itself should (in theory) never wear out.
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/cdplayers.html " Now if you had told me something like that I would say that you were crazy and out of your mind. That is mind-boggling. Yet when I came home, that is exactly what was happening.

John didn't have the vocabulary to describe what was in heaven; what he was seeing. He describes it with the vocabulary he has, especially when seeing things like locusts. What were they? I don't know. Maybe they were supernatural giant locusts created for a specific purpose by God, or perhaps he saw some modern warfare that looked like it. I don't know. I don't speculate. I only know the result.
Shortly after we read:
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

 

Who has the rights to one that has given himself over to Satan (i.e., a Satanist), God or the devil?
That answer should be obvious. You must be born again.

 

So just to be very clear you do not think God owns everything. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and think it was a typo but it looks like you are doubling down in declaring that God does not own everything.

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I saw a program once that said pretty much what you posted here. Could those locusts be helicopters? That was what they were wondering. I take comfort in knowing when He comes again, I'll be with Him. I have much affinity for the historic premillenialist view, minus the 1,000 years literal reign if Christ on terra firma. But if He literally reigns here, I have no problem with it, I just want to be with Him. As so do you, of course.

It's just that in my studies, I see Him reigning now, the millennium being ongoing as we speak.

 

He will sit on David's throne for a thousand years.
After that will be the Great White Throne Judgment.
Shortly after that, as far as I understand Scripture, this earth will be destroyed and an new earth and a new heaven will be created.
His Kingdom, even in a new earth will be forever and forever. I look forward to that also.

 

The atheist denies the existence of God, both agree. But some atheists may have been taught God does not exist from their very birth. So they accepted what their parents told them as truth. Not saying this is fact, but many probably have been been deceived by their families.

 

Then it wouldn't be a "millennium" by very definition of the word, would it?