The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

[DHK]

Hill 1001? Satan's cows. That's the literal translation.

God created all things; Satan created nothing. What you have posted is blasphemy! an insult to God--attributing the creation of God to Satan.

The only animals that Satan could possibly own are those that Christ, in some why gave to him, as noted here:

Matthew 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Otherwise, even the unsaved care for God's creation.

 

[DHK]

His theology has him straitjacketed.

I have never seen a more anti-Gentile guy in my life. He acts offended when we say true Jews are spiritual Jews, which consist of Jew and Gentiles who have had the circumcision of the heart by God. He appears to act mad that God saves Gentiles, based solely on the fact they are not Jews.

I take offense when Scripture is taken out of its context to back up an unscriptural stance. If you can't defend your position using scripture properly, then it is not worth defending.

It is just like saying the Bible teaches "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Out of context.
You do the same thing with Rom.2:28,29. Out of context. He is not writing about Christians.

 

[DHK]

His theology has him straitjacketed.

I have never seen a more anti-Gentile guy in my life. He acts offended when we say true Jews are spiritual Jews, which consist of Jew and Gentiles who have had the circumcision of the heart by God. He appears to act mad that God saves Gentiles, based solely on the fact they are not Jews.

This is not true.
God saved all the disciples, former Jews. But then they weren't Jews any more.
A saved Muslim isn't a Muslim any more. He becomes a Christian.
Why do you have such a hard time understanding such basic truths of Christianity?

 

[DHK]

But that is the mentality of some circles. They'll get up and preach Sunday and tell how they debated you and go on a tangent on how THEY believe the Bible 'When IT says 1000 years, THAT is what it MEANS and I believe EVERY word of it!!!!!!' 'I take it LITERALLY'. It all garners amen's and excites people.

By the way, it was 184,782 to be exact. Or was it 184,783? I can't remember, it was so long ago!

Take your argument up with God. Are you accusing God of having a bad memory?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Alright, if it was different it would be 186,000 or 184,000. Agreed?
God is not that bad of a mathematician.
Having said that, when one thousand is written five times in Rev.20:1-7 what do you think he means?
1,005? How much leeway are you going to Him? 1,005? But you won't do that will you?

Well, Revelation is chocked full of allegorical language. Do you think a literal sword came out of Christ's mouth? Was there a literal fire in His eyes? Were those literal candlesticks(lampstands) He was among? Is Satan a literal 'great red dragon' that has seven heads and ten horns? When Jesus took the Book(Scroll) out of His Father's hand, was He a literal Lamb slain with seven eyes and horns? Does Jesus' voice sound like rushing water?(that's gargling) Was that a literal star that fell and was given the key to the abyss? Then I guess those locusts had literal crowns, had human faces, hair like women, and lion's teeth and a scorpion's stinger? Then the beast that came up out of the sea. It had seven heads and ten horns, body like a leopard, feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion. You're a literalist and take 1,000 years to mean 1,000 when you look at all this figurative language I showed you?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Well, Revelation is chocked full of allegorical language. Do you think a literal sword came out of Christ's mouth? Was there a literal fire in His eyes? Were those literal candlesticks(lampstands) He was among? Is Satan a literal 'great red dragon' that has seven heads and ten horns? When Jesus took the Book(Scroll) out of His Father's hand, was He a literal Lamb slain with seven eyes and horns? Does Jesus' voice sound like rushing water?(that's gargling) Was that a literal star that fell and was given the key to the abyss? Then I guess those locusts had literal crowns, had human faces, hair like women, and lion's teeth and a scorpion's stinger? Then the beast that came up out of the sea. It had seven heads and ten horns, body like a leopard, feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion. You're a literalist and take 1,000 years to mean 1,000 when you look at all this figurative language I showed you?

And there's more figurative language I never posted.

 

[Internet Theologian]

God created all things; Satan created nothing. What you have posted is blasphemy! an insult to God--attributing the creation of God to Satan.

You're out of control with your accusations. See, you cannot even read between the lines in human dialog let alone see that Scriptures use figurative language.

The only animals that Satan could possibly own are those that Christ, in some why gave to him, as noted here:

Matthew 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Otherwise, even the unsaved care for God's creation.

That you believe I LITERALLY meant satan owns cattle is ridiculous - but then again at the SAME EXACT TIME IT IS YOU WHO PREACHES HE OWNS THE WORLDS KINGDOMS!!!! LOL!!!!

Your absurdity and inconsistency is showing!

 

[blessedwife318]

But that is the mentality of some circles. They'll get up and preach Sunday and tell how they debated you and go on a tangent on how THEY believe the Bible 'When IT says 1000 years, THAT is what it MEANS and I believe EVERY word of it!!!!!!' 'I take it LITERALLY'. It all garners amen's and excites people.

Don't forget that when the Bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne forever, or that the land would be an inheritance forever it really means 1000 years.

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[SovereignGrace]

I take offense when Scripture is taken out of its context to back up an unscriptural stance. If you can't defend your position using scripture properly, then it is not worth defending.

It is just like saying the Bible teaches "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Out of context.
You do the same thing with Rom.2:28,29. Out of context. He is not writing about Christians.

The context of Romans 2 was the Jews who were boasting in them being of Abraham's lineage. They thought that was all that was needed. As Apostle Paul wrote a person is a Jew who is one inwardly. Then Apostle Paul supports this when he wrote In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ.[Colossians 2:11]

Now, both Jews and Gentiles make up the body of Christ, the church, of which He in the Head. Both Jews and Gentiles have this circumcision of their heart.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Don't forget that when the Bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne forever, or that the land would be an inheritance forever it really means 1000 years.

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So 1,000 literal years = forever? Who'd thunk it?

 

[blessedwife318]

So 1,000 literal years = forever? Who'd thunk it?

It's the only way to be consistent. Either forever = 1000 years
Or 1000 years = forever

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[Internet Theologian]

Could you imagine in church bulletin:

'Alright folks, this Sunday we will be practicing plucking out our eyes and cutting off our hands. We do believe in the literal interpretation'!

So 1,000 literal years = forever? Who'd thunk it?

What a let down that would be!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Don't forget that when the Bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne forever, or that the land would be an inheritance forever it really means 1000 years.

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And he will not give you a post to debate this. You have him by the short hairs now.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Don't forget that when the Bible says that Jesus will sit on the throne forever, or that the land would be an inheritance forever it really means 1000 years.

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I am looking forward to a cogent retort from DHK. But if I'm a betting man, odds are he will not even address it. If he does...huge if...it will be easily dismantled and then swept out the back door.

 

[Darrell C]

I am looking forward to a cogent retort from DHK. But if I'm a betting man, odds are he will not even address it. If he does...huge if...it will be easily dismantled and then swept out the back door.

I'll address it: the Lord Jesus Christ will never, ever...sit on the thrown.

Just not in His character, nor do we have a Scriptural basis for it.




God bless.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I'll address it: the Lord Jesus Christ will never, ever...sit on the thrown.

Just not in His character, nor do we have a Scriptural basis for it.




God bless.

I never noticed that misspelling of throne. Good pick up. But 1,000 literal years does not an eternity make.

 

[blessedwife318]

I never noticed that misspelling of throne. Good pick up. But 1,000 literal years does not an eternity make.

Yeah I fixed it. Spelling my arch nemesis. And auto correct does not help most of the time

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[TCassidy]

It's the only way to be consistent. Either forever = 1000 years
Or 1000 years = forever

Why? It seems to me this is an example of the Logical Fallacy of False Dilemma.

It does not have to be "A" or "B." I could be "A" or "B" or "C".

"Forever" could mean "1000 years + all of Eternity Future" (And, yes, I am aware that term is itself a fallacy but I know of no other way to express it).

Your second option displays the Logical Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle. Because forever does not mean 1000 years, does not mean 1000 years + eternity future does not mean forever.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yeah I fixed it. Spelling my arch nemesis. And auto correct does not help most of the time

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Auto correct only corrects misspelled words. Thrown was not misspelled, but that is not a regal, royal seat Christ will set upon, but means tossed.

Thrown will be the goats...into eternal hell.

 

[DHK]

Well, Revelation is chocked full of allegorical language. Do you think a literal sword came out of Christ's mouth? Was there a literal fire in His eyes? Were those literal candlesticks(lampstands) He was among? Is Satan a literal 'great red dragon' that has seven heads and ten horns? When Jesus took the Book(Scroll) out of His Father's hand, was He a literal Lamb slain with seven eyes and horns? Does Jesus' voice sound like rushing water?(that's gargling) Was that a literal star that fell and was given the key to the abyss? Then I guess those locusts had literal crowns, had human faces, hair like women, and lion's teeth and a scorpion's stinger? Then the beast that came up out of the sea. It had seven heads and ten horns, body like a leopard, feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion. You're a literalist and take 1,000 years to mean 1,000 when you look at all this figurative language I showed you?

And John wasn't a literal John; Jesus wasn't a literal Jesus; the seven churches weren't seven literal churches. Does common sense count for anything? Apparently not.