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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SovereignGrace, Feb 16, 2016.

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    Natural revelation...Psalms 19 & Romans 1 both express how all peoples know there is God. But natural revelation does not tell them how they can and must be saved. That is via the gospel. Your mysticism is mitigating the necessity of the gospel. Kudos!

    You're a mystic. I do not know how to put it any milder than that.
     
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    Did Ababinili or Gudatrigakwitl, die for you? Did one of them take human form and die to save you?

    Did Anishinaabek die for you? Did he come in the form of a servant to rescue you from your sins?
     
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    This is all remarkable and unbelievable. mwc is lending credence to false gods, validating them, supporting idolatry, preaching inclusivism, twisting scripture, preaching that the heavens preach the gospel, that he kept his heart pure therefore is saved. Works salvation, mysticism, heretical doctrines. All of them.
     
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    And yet both Henry and Calvin say that by the heavens all have heard and are without excuse. That they can believe by that silent witness. Read the comments from their commentaries it there on black and white. That coupled with Acts 14:16 as Calvin so graciously provided says God has not left himself without a witness
     
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    So the God who created the earth, the unseen God of whom called Abraham and all of us as Christians believe you are calling Him a false God. And yet Paul told the People of Athens about the unknown God that they had an alter about the unknown God. Acts 17:23 now you say this same unknown God of the American Indians is a different unseen God who created all things. Sorry Paul must have believed as you do that the alter to that unknown God was a false God, an idol and Paul shouldn't have given credence to Him, yet Paul led folks to the Lord by using that unknown God to lead them to the Lord. So as Brother Calvin pointed out that God is not without a witness to all mankind
     
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    Each one is said to have created the world as the unseen God. Did the unseen God of Israel called YHWH create the world and all things?
     
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    So then are Calvin and Henry since they too say men can find God through the witness of the heavens. Sorry it is not mysticism Acts 17:23, Acts 14:26 as well as Psalms 19:1 say that man is without excuse because they have the heavens that speak to them. That means there is no one in this world who can't say they didn't know all have heard
     
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    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.[Romans 1:16]

    And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,[Ephesians 1:13]

    For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.[1 Corinthians 1:21]

    For what I received I passed onto you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,[1 Corinthians 15:3-4]

    None of this is revealed via natural revelation mwc.

    NONE. OF. THIS.
     
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    Again, you are misunderstanding their words, per usual.

    People, by natural revelation know God exists...in many cases...god. That is why many worship a cow. That is why many worship trees. That is why many worship statues. That is why man worship Allah(an idol) and Mohammed...a mere mortal. They know a 'higher power' exists.

    But this is not enough to be saved. They have to be taught about Jesus Christ. He said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can know the Father except by Me."[John 6:14]

    Your mysticism is mind-numbing.
     
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    Again, did they come as a man and die for you? A simple yes or no will suffice.
     
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    The unknown God they could not worship. To worship God, one must worship His Christ. The Athenians knew nothing of Christ.

    Ye do greatly err not knowing the scriptures.
     
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    The heavens declare that God exists. It does not declare Him coming as a man to save sinners from their sins.

    You are grotesquely twisting men's, and far worse, God's words.
     
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    Which one created the world and this universe? Care to guess?
     
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    Yes. He is far more dangerous than any envelope chocked full of anthrax ever was or will be.

    He could kill a church quickly with his ideologies. The fact he has Rev as part of his username means he is a minister. Scaaaaaaary!! o_O :eek:
     
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    The heavens declare the gospel? Srsly? How do they tell of God coming as a man, dying in their stead, bearing their sins in His body, raising three days later? Hmmm? Praytell, how do the heavens declare this?

    You are scaaaary with a bible in your hand...and deadly.
     
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    The unseen God by whatever name you call Him. Which one God the Son created it all. I just see Him as a God who operates with no boundaries. Unlimited in Power, unlimited in knowledge no limits from the physical world.
     
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    I would tell you but that would open a larger can of worms
     
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    Your mystisim knows no lengths too long, depths too deep, or width too wide does it?
     
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    Speak up.
     
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    Finally. Something we agree on.

    God operates within the confines of His attributes. So, He does have boundaries. He can not lie, so He has no ability(power) to sin. He can not sin. Even if He tried to(though we know He will try to sin), He could not.
     
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