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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SovereignGrace, Feb 16, 2016.

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  1. revmwc

    revmwc Well-Known Member

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    So when His word says "He left not Himself without a witness" and had just said that the heavens declare His Glory then He cannot lie, He has a remnant among all people and they are His witnesses
     
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    But none of what you posted above means everybody has heard the gospel. The heavens declare His glory but does not tell His redemptive story. That is solely via the gospel.

    People die every day not thinking they're sinners. They'll find out they were wrong. They died not realzing they needed a Saviour. To remove this veil of deceit from their eyes is solely the work of the Spirit via the preached gospel, or a missionary explaining the gospel to them via witnessing and/or teaching.
     
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    So why send missionaires? Why preach the gospel, even if you're a minister? They'll all hear the gospel by merely looking towards the heavens, right?

    Just prop your feet up and relax.

    #Ahhhhhhhh!!
     
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    Because God commanded it to tell all me. The fields are white with harvest but the laborers are few
     
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    His remnant tells of a savior coming
     
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    Yes. His remnant is the church....the body of Christ...the redeemed of the Lord. None are witnesses without a personal relationship with God's Christ. This relationship is not established via natural revelation.
     
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    They tell of a Saviour who came as a man, bore their sins in His flesh, hung, bled, & died and arose three days later.

    They tell also of Him coming...again, too.

    None of this...I reiterate...none.of.this...is revealed by natural revelation. None.
     
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    There is a remnant of Israel but as I posted scripture before He has a remnant among every people.
     
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    Israel and the church are one and the same. And yes, there is a remnant among every nation. But this comes from a personal relationship with God's Christ via the gospel, the word of God. Not by natural revelation.
     
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    The Gospel of a Savior which all mankind heard before the scattering
     
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    And yet...millienia later people worship trees, statues and other men.
     
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    When Cain left God's presence, did he teach his lineage of the coming Messiah?
     
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    We aren't talking of Cain's line they parishes however Cains wife may very well have, since she was a daughter of Adam and Eve
     
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    You said EVERYBODY. Cain and his lineage make up EVERYBODY. But Cain never passed it on, probably never even knew anything about Christ's coming in the future...he was the seed(by relationship not by lineage) of the wicked one. He found his wife in the land of Nod. Doubt she knew either. But keep it up. You're doing a fine job!! Of mitigating the gospel.
     
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    "parishes" So that's where the Catholics come from!
     
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    While some have an unseen God who is the creator of all things and will return. We have Mislims, idol worshippers and idolaters even in America today. Are there witnesses in America? Of course, have they heard from the witnesses? Yes, how about the Middle East they are beheading Christians have they heard? Yes, have they obeyed of course not! Their is a remnant but the remnant is never the majority.
     
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    Typing from my phone meant perished. They parished in the flood.
     
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    But I'm debunking your ideology of all have heard the gospel. To say 100% of BILLIONS have heard is utterly ridiculous.
     
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    Cains wife knew and very easily was the remnant that passed it on that makes everybody.
     
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    There is a remnant who tell it, they have heard or seen the heavens and the stars are a witness so everyone has heard according to scripture how by the heavens.
     
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