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I do. If yours is such a mess, as you describe, get out. Find a good church. If not you have nobody to blame but yourself.

 

But you are still whining about it. So, if you are no longer a member, are you just gossiping?

And if it is such a terrible church why did you join it in the first place? Your screed sounds just a bit self-righteous to me.

And your screed does not say you already left the church. But nice try.

 

I have a life. A very full life. My wife, my family, my kids and grandkids, my church, my community, our travels together. A very full life.

Still whining?

I don't have a church. I attend Christ's church. Maybe that is your problem? A man follower rather than a Christ follower?

LOL! You flatter yourself!

 

You really don't understand a lot, do you?

Here, let me help a bit.

Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

Never been. The churches I was a member of were examined carefully before I joined them, and the one I pastored for 27 years was governed biblically. It comes as a shock to some people but when we do things God's way it works pretty good.

 

I have been thur a few church splits - but instead of whining - I look at it as a learning experience. Now, when as a pastor, I need to make a decision - I can look back on these experiences and trust those mistakes will not happen again.

Ok, I will give you a few examples -
1) Moved to new military assigment - attended one week - went to field for 3 weeks - came back and church had split while I was in the field. (pertty sure, I had nothing to do with that) The orginal pastor left and took about 1/3 of the church. That pastor later ended up in a German jail.

2) I was a member of a SBC church in Germany. PCS back to States. 18 months later, I had returned to the same unit. New pastor had been at the church. His wife came down with cancer - he resigned to take her back to States. A member of a sister SBC church had a brother who was a missionary in the Middle East. He was run out due to political problems. (+ bullet holes in his POV) He drove to K-town to stay with his brother. So this pastor (IFB) spoke at our church - everyone liked him - then was elected as interim pastor - could not be pastor since he was not a SBC school grad. - He met another small Baptist church in town- that church "merged" with us. Now he had enough votes to change the constitution. There was one trustee - the new pastor had him sign a new rental contact - then they changed the locks on the building. We the actua; SBC members reluctantly left and re-formed into a new SBC church .
3) Arrived at a Stateside post - start attending a small IFB - really enjoyed it. We met in a house trailer - at the time about 15 in attendance. After a few weeks, we were up to about 25-30. (should have renamed the church Sardine Baptist) One day after service - I mention to someone how we were growing and would need a better facility. That Sun night - the pastor "stabbed me in the back" during the service. Said I was trying to run him out. WOW. Not sure how he came up with that . I left the church, as I did not want the church to have to take sides.

 

I take it that was something in the local churches constitution and by laws? The SBC certainly doesn't require anything regarding pastoral education of its member churches.

 

Yes, it was our local church constitution. It was to insure that the church would remain SBC. I'm guessing it was a recomendation of the European Baptist Convention and/or our mother church. About half of the members were non- SBC- yet (until this IFB pastor) we were able to work together very well - As preaching Christ to our community was the priority.