Featured About Hebrews' warning: Do not draw back to perdition

So, are you saying that everyone who makes a false profession of faith is saved? Is this some sort of universalism?

 

So you deny predestination? Do you think Ephesians 1:5 (Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,) and 1:11 (In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.) are wrong?

And can you please post a quote from anyone on this thread who has claimed that "God has us as some sort of predestined zombies?" Thank you.

So is "Salvation is of the Lord."

So you deny Romans 8:7 (Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.) is scripture? Or 1 Corinthians 2:14 (Now the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can’t know them, because they are spiritually discerned.)?

First, I am not your boy. In fact I am well over a decade older than you. I was in high school while you were busy being born.

As for the drawing board, I am not a draftsman, or artist of any sort. But I have spent the past 40+ years in vocational ministry. 27 years as pastor of the same church. And over 25 years as a seminary professor. And you?

 

Why would you make such an untrue statement? I don't know of any "Calvinist" whether self-identified as such or not, who believes that. Some, who tend to take "Lordship Salvation" to an extreme may, but even then most who believe in "Lordship Salvation" do not, but only believe that if a person's entire life is a denial of Christ it is unlikely (but ultimately unknowable) if that person is really saved.

Because I believe only God can see the heart you say I have a limited perspective? Are you claiming to have a better perspective than I do? Are you claiming to be able to see my heart?

That's what I said.

 

I have known some who did.

Whoever they told. In my first church, back in 1974, there was a teen boy who attended our church with his mother. He made a profession of faith, was baptized, and was active with the teen group and youth choir. I left for another city and lost contact with him. I came back to visit about 5 years later and looked him up. He was no longer attending. I asked him why not. He said he didn't believe "all that crap." He told me the only reason he made the profession of faith and submitted to baptism was to get his mom off his back. Now that he was an adult he would do as he pleased.

Yes, He does.

So do I, but my assumptions do not always prove to be correct.

 

I don't have a church. I am a member of a congregation belonging to the Lord Jesus Christ. You should try it!

 

I am sorry to have to say this, but your posts don't make any sense. Do you drink?

 

Yes, we all know that. What is your point?

Who said He did make us do it? Please quote the person saying that.

I didn't say they mean anything. I just posted the scripture. Are you saying they don't mean what they say?

Yes, we all know that, what is your point?

So God is wrong for saying that we are predestined?

Exactly! And, as His Spirit is not in a lost person, there is no way a lost person can believe, or know, or obey, all of which are the result of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for making my point for me.

Nobody in this thread has said any such thing.

I see. So you can "get hung up on" and use "petty and less than forthright" insults but I am not allowed to comment on them? Can you post the Baptist Board rule that says that?

 

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