the easy answer to which bible is the real one

Oh the misinformation is so glaring it's kind of funny. It's interesting how people just buy into the conspiracy theories and don't actually look at the truth - that God is good, God is sovereign and God has been able to keep His Word through the ages - before 1611 and since. He didn't suddenly go to work in the 17th century and then sit back and think "Well, that's good enough." Praise God for the great men and women who have worked tirelessly to make sure that we have the most accurate rendering of the Word of God in our language and in other languages as well. We have one of them on this board and I've seen the hard agonizing work he's done to just translate one book and how the love of God's Word has brought an accurate translation to the Japanese people.

 

1) Which version was the infallible Word in the 1500's?
2) Which KJV do you currently read, the 1611 or the 1769
3) Is there any concern that the translators were Anglican?
4) Do you believe that a person can be saved from a non- KJV Bible?

 

The dark ages were from the 11th through the 13th centuries. The KJV was published in the early 17th century. You missed by about 400 years.

Actually they liked both Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, along with about 25 other manuscripts that read similarly to the two above.

Uh, well, actually, no, they didn't. And they were both confessional Anglicans.

Uh, well, actually, no, they didn't. Both were Trinitarian.

Wrong again. Only one English bible version was translated from the text of Westcott and Hort, the English Revised Version of 1882.

Nope. Out of the approximately 200 English versions only 1 was translated from the text of Westcott and Hort. That is 1/2 of 1%.

Uh, well, actually the KJV is translated from a text which is representative of the Byzantine textform which accounts for around 5355 Greek manuscripts. And the comma is missing from all of them except for 5 manuscripts of questionable origin.

No, their primary text was Codex Sinaiticus. Their secondary text was Codex Vaticanus. Neither is a text. And if you don't know the difference between a text, a manuscript, and a codex maybe you should find something else to discuss. That way you will avoid being publicly humiliated. (Oh, and, by the way, there is no "e" on "Hort." If you want to claim to be an expert on him you may want to learn to spell his name correctly.)

Anyone with at least a 4th grade education?

Yes. Okay. I looked. What does God promising to preserve the poor and needy from their oppressors have to do with the KJV?

Virginia Mollenkot didn't oversee anything. She was a Professor of English Literature and served as a style consultant on the NIV.

Please, try to get at least one of your points right. So far you are batting 0.

 

You may need to do some studying on the great KJV of the Bible. Unless yours looks like this: http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=kjbible, you have a newer version, definitely not one from the 17th century.

"The Authorized Version, as it came to be called, went through several editions and revisions. Two notable editions were that of 1629, the first ever printed at Cambridge, and that of 1638, also at Cambridge, which was assisted by John Bois and Samuel Ward, two of the original translators. In 1657, the Parliament considered another revision, but it came to naught. The most important editions were those of the 1762 Cambridge revision by Thomas Paris, and the 1769 Oxford revision by Benjamin Blayney. One of the earliest concrdances was A Concordance to the Bible of the Last Translation, by John Down-ham, affixed to a printing of 1632."

http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

 

So much error, so little time to correct it all.

The Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, both of which had license to print King James Version bibles in England, sought to produce an updated standard text. First of the two was the Cambridge edition of 1760, the culmination of twenty-years work by Francis Sawyer Parris. This 1760 edition was reprinted without change in 1762 and in John Baskerville's folio edition of 1763. This was effectively superseded by the 1769 Oxford edition, edited by Benjamin Blayney, though with comparatively few changes from Parris's edition; but which became the Oxford standard text, and is reproduced almost unchanged in most current printings.

The Protestant Reformation occurred from 1517 when Martin Luther nailed the 99 Theses on the door of All Saints' Church (Schlosskirche) in Wittenberg through 1535 when Henry VIII "divorced" the Church of England from the Church of Rome. England, and most of northern Europe, had been Protestant since around 1550. The KJV didn't come along until 1611.

5 Man? Uh, try 50 man!

Old Testament Company.

The Right Rev. Edward Harold Brown, D. D., Bishop of Winchester (Chairman), Farnham Castle, Surrey.
The Right Rev. Lord Athur Charles Hervey, D. D., Bishop of Bath and Wells, Palace, Wells, Somerset.
The Right Rev. Alfred Ollivant, D. D., Bishop of Llandaff, Bishop's Court, Llandaff.
The Very Rev. Robert Payne Smith, D. D., Dean of Canterbury, Deanery, Canterbury.
The Ven. Benjamin Harrison, M. A., Archdeacon of Maidstone, Canon of Canterbury, Canterbury.
The Rev. William Lindsay Alexander, D. D., Professor of Theology, Congregational Church Hall, Edinburgh.
Robert L. Bensly, Esq., Fellow and Hebrew Lecturer, Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge.
The Rev. John Birrell, Professor of Oriental Languages, St. Andrew's, Scotland.
Frank Chance, Esq., M. D., Burleigh House, Sydenham Hill, London.
Thomas Chenery, Esq., Reform Club, London, S. W.
The Rev. T. K. Cheyne, Fellow and Hebrew Lecturer, Balliol College, Oxford.
The Rev. A. B. Davidson, D. D., Professor of Hebrew, Free Church College, Edinburgh.
The Rev. George Douglas, D. D., Professor of Hebrew and Principal of Free Church College, Glasgow.
S. R. Driver, esq., Tutor of New College, Oxford.
The Rev. C. J. Elliott, Win-kfield Vicarage, Windsor.
The Rev. Frederick Field, D. D., Carlton Terrace, Heigham, Norwich.
The Rev. John Dury Geden, Professor of Hebrew, Wesleyan College, Didsbury, Manchester.
The Rev. Christian D. Ginsburg, LL.D., Workingham, Berks.
The Rev. Frederick William Gotch, D. D., Principal of the Baptist College, Bristol.
The Rev. William Kay, D. D., Great Leghs' Rectory, Chelmsford.
The Rev. Stanley Leathes, D. D., Professor of Hebrew, King's College, London.
The Rev. Professor J. R. Lumby, D. D., Fellow of St. Catharine's College, Cambridge.
The Very Rev. John James Stewart Perowne, D. D., Dean of Peterborough, Deanery, Peterborough.
The Rev. A. H. Sayce, Fellow and Tutor of Queen's College, Oxford.
The Rev. William Robertson Smith, Professor of Hebrew, Free Church College, Aberdeen.
William Wright, LL. D., Professor of Arabic, Cambridge.
William Aldis Wright Esq. (Secretary), Bursar of Trinity College, Cambridge.

New Testament Company.

The Right Rev. Charles John Ellicott, D. D., Bishop of Gloucester and Bristol (Chairman), Palace, Gloucester.
The Right Rev. George Moberly, D. C. L., Bishop of Salisbury, Palace, Salisbury.
The Very Rev. Edward Henry Bickersteth, D. D., Prolocutor, Dean of Lichfield, Deanery, Lichfield.
The Very Rev. Arthur Penrhyn Stanley, D. D., Dean of Westminster, Deanery, Westminster.
The Very Rev. Robert Scott, D. D., Dean of Rochester, Deanery, Rochester.
The Very Rev. Joseph Williams Blakesley, B. D., Dean of Lincoln, Deanery, Lincoln.
The Most Rev. Richard Chenevix Trench, D. D., Archbishop of Dublin, Palace, Dublin.
The Right Rev. Joseph Lightfoot, D. D., LL.D., Bishop of Durham.
The Right Rev. Charles Wordsworth, D. C. L., Bishop of St. Andrew's, Bishopshall, St. Andrew's.
The Rev. Joseph Angus, D. D., President of the Baptist College, Regent's Park, London.
The Rev. David Brown, D. D., Principal of the Free Church College, Aberdeen.
The Rev. Fenton John Anthony Hort, D. D., Fellow of Emmanual College, Cambridge.
The Rev. William Gilson Humphry, Vicarage, St. Martin's-in-the-Fields, London, W. C.
The Rev. Benjamin Hall Kennedy, D. D., Canon of Ely and Regius Professor of Greek, The Elms, Cambridge.
The Ven. William Lee, D. D., Archdeacon of Dublin, Dublin.
The Rev. William Milligan, D. D., Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism, Aberdeen.
The Rev. William F. Moulton, D. D., Master of the Leys School, Cambridge.
The Rev. Samuel Newth, D. D., Principal of New College, Hampstead, London.
The Ven. Edwin Palmer, D. D., Archdeacon of Oxford, Christ Church, Oxford.
The Rev. Alexander Roberts, D. D., Professor of Humanity, St. Andrew's.
The Rev. Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener, LL.D., Prebendary, Hendon Vicarage, London, N. W.
The Rev. George Vance. Smith, D. D., Parade, Carmarthen.
The Rev. Charles John Vaughan, D. D., Master of the Temple, The Temple, London, E. C.
The Rev. Brooke Foss Westcott, D. D., Canon of Peterborough and Regius Professor of Divinity, Trinity College, Cambridge.
The Rev. J. Troutbeck (Secretary), Dean's Yard, Westminster.

 

The American Revision Committee.

Philip Schaff, D. D., LL.D., President of the General Committee.

George E. Day, D. D., Secretary.

Old Testament Company.

Professor Wm. Henry Green, D. D., LL.D. (Chairman), Theological Seminary, Princeton, N. J.
Professor George E. Day, D. D. (Secretary), Divinity School of Yale College, New Haven, Conn.
Professor Charles A. Aiken, D. D., Theological Seminary, Princeton, N. J.
The Rev. T. W. Chambers, D. D., Collegiate Reformed Dutch Church, N. Y.
Professor Thomas J. Conant, D. D., Brooklyn, N. Y.
Professor John De Witt, D. D., Theological Seminary, New Brunswick, N. J.
Professor George Emlen Hare, D. D., LL.D., Divinity School, Philadelphia.
Professor Charles P. Krauth, D. D., LL.D., Vice-Provost of the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.
Professor Charles M. Mead, D. D., Theological Seminary, Andover, Mass.
Professor Howard Osgood, D. D., Theological Seminary, Rochester, N. Y.
Professor Joseph Packard, D. D., Theological Seminary, Alexandria, Va.
Professor Calvin E. Stowe, D. D., Hartford, Conn. Professor James Strong, S. T. D., Theological Seminary, Ma-dison, N. J.
Professor C. V. A. Van Dyck, LL.D., D. D., M. D., Beirut, Syria. (Advisory Member on questions of Arabic.)

New Testament Company.

Ex-President Theodore D. Woolsey, D. D., LL.D. (Chairman), New Haven, Conn.
Professor J. Henry Thayer, D. D. (Secretary), Theological Seminary, Andover, Mass.
Professor Ezra Abbot, D. D., LL.D., Divinity School, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.
The Rev. J. K. Burr, D. D., Trenton, N. J.
President Thomas Chase, LL.D., Haverford College, Pa.
Chancellor Howard Crosby, D. D., LL.D., New York University, New York.
Professor Timothy Dwight, D. D., Divinity School of Yale College, New Haven, Conn.
Professor A. C. Kendrick, D. D., LL.D., University of Rochester, Rochester, N. Y.
The Right Rev. Alfred Lee, D. D., Bishop of the Diocese of Delaware.
Professor Matthew B. Riddle, D. D., Theological Seminary, Hartford, Conn.
Professor Philip Schaff, D. D., LL. I)., Union Theological Seminary, New York.
Professor Charles Short, LL.D. (Secretary), N. Y.
The Rev. Edward A. Washburn, D. D., Calvary P. E. Church, N. Y.

 

So, you are still batting 0. Want to try again? Here, just a little more info for you.

When comparing the 1611 edition to the 1769 edition (which you use) you will find 421 changes. Of that number 136 are considered "changes of substance" which change the meaning of the text.

 

I'm guessing I have the Oxford 1769 edition?

 

You do.

I have both and Oxford 1769 (my primary preaching bible) and a Cambridge 1873 (my primary study bible when studying the KJV - but I usually use the NKJV for daily reading and study).

 

Thank!! I don't use this for regular study because it's getting pretty fragile. But I've gotta say, I like the larger print!!

 

Well, if truth be told, my preaching KJV is large print (but not GIANT print) so I can see it as it lays on the pulpit.

 

Hubby bailed to his iPad a couple of weeks ago from his written notes. He stole....ummm, I mean borrowed my large print Bible and he even had to use reading glasses the other day!!

My favorite Bible is my ESV personal reference Bible but the font is just 7.5 and I'm just buying stronger reading glasses so I don't have to switch.

 

I have already corrected your ignorance regarding the dark ages. The dark ages were from the 11th through the 13th century. The KJV was published in the early 17th century. Again, you are 400 years off.

Actually the first printed edition of the Traditional Text was done by a catholic priest named Desiderius Erasmus. And the other popular publication of that same textform was done by Romam Catholic Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros.

The KJV was not translated from Greek into English. The KJV was revised from the Bishops' Bible, the second "Authorized Version" published in 1568, which was a revision of the Geneva Bible of 1560, which was a revision of the Great Bible of 1539, the first "Authorized Version" in English, which was a revision of the Tyndale Bible of 1526.

No, again, the dark ages were from the 11th century through the 13th century. The KJV did not come along until the 17th century. 400 years later.

Please, try to get at least one point correct.