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Thank you.

 

Therefore in His perfect knowledge He knows everything beforehand.

 

Yes, not as if God said 'Let me look down the corridors of time and see what will happen and make determinations upon that knowledge'.

 

Why was Jeremiah going to prophet? Because God knew what was in his heart beforehand.

 

'Thus saith mwc'

Let's continue this type of soteriological logic and see if it paints a true picture of election, the Gospel, God's decretive will to save some:

God only chooses people that will do something good, and that is why He chooses them, because He knows they will make a good choice. The other people are not going to make a good choice so they get zapped.

Then again other people get zapped because they won't believe, that is, they won't give mental assent toward some biblical facts, they simply cannot muster up the assent of belief in their hearts toward the Gospel, even though they may even want to believe it, they just cannot do it so they get damned in the end. They're simply incapable of believing so they're damned to hell.

Some keep their hearts from getting hard so they can choose God, so God saw this and they get picked for Heaven. The other ones didn't so they are damned.

Is that pretty close?

 

We can look to Jesus on your above scenario and see what He said:
John 3:
"18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Let's see what the above statements added say John 3:18 -19 based on your quote, "God only chooses people that will do something good," 18 He that believeth, that is "those who do something good," is not condemned: but he that believeth not "that is doeth not good" is condemned already "not going to make a good choice so they get zapped," because he hath not believed "that is doeth not good" in the name of the only begotten Son of God. No where close, Jesus said those who believe, and who are the ones who believe, well, Jeremiah believed, Abraham believed, Jacob believed, Abel believed we believe today. God knew exactly what Esau and Jacob would do and we see,
Romans 19:12 "It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid."
You think maybe God knew the choices they would make before they came out of the womb?
Esau rejected that is failed to believe, that is fact, he turned his back on the things of God and Jacob, well Jacob believed that too is fact, and he received the Covenant promise from God why, because he believed, and God knew what was in their hearts prior to their birth, one he hated the other He loved.

Taking it further with your question, we would see:
"18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not "get zapped because they won't believe, that is, they won't give mental assent toward some biblical facts, they simply cannot muster up the assent of belief in their hearts toward the Gospel, even though they may even want to believe it, they just cannot do it so they get damned in the end. They're simply incapable of believing so they're damned to hell" is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

One last thing,

"18 He that believeth on him is "keep their hearts from getting hard so they can choose God, so God saw this and they get picked for Heaven" not condemned: but he that believeth not "The other ones didn't so they are damned" is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

You tell me how your questions fit what Jesus said.
Jesus said believing makes one not condemned! So is Jesus saying belief is "works" not at all, He stated they must believe to not be condemned. Who must believe all who want salvation, why do they want salvation because they "hear the Gospel and respond" they believe!

 

Yet in your post #25 you stated Jeremiah was preordained to be a prophet and yet now you say he had sin and death in him, so how was it he was preordained as a sinner and dead that he could be preordained? Could it be maybe God knew him beforehand?

 

Men are born spiritually dead, depraved and dead in trespasses and sin. God must regenerate that is not the contention, it is when and how that is in question. Jesus said those who believe (that is make a choice, you call that works). You seem to believe that regeneration that is that the spirit must come to life in order for them to believe. I believe that the ones who are saved believe after hearing the word and respond to the convicting power of the Holy Spirit, either believing or rejecting. The very second they believe God Regenerates, imputes righteousness, justifies, The Holy Spirit indwells and fills and many other things bottom line they are totally and utterly saved.

Jesus doesn't come looking for those who believe that God made them righteous or believe that they are righteous, like the Pharisees. Jesus said He came to seek and save the lost and How does He seek, Faith cometh by hearing, The word is preached they hear and the Holy Spirit convicts and the person responds by means of volition, either positively or negatively, " those who believe are not condemned." "Those who believe not are condemned already because they haven't believed on the Son of God." John 3:19

God molds them and makes the believer after they follow His command, "Believe on the Lord Jesus (Savior) and though shalt be saved." Then regeneration, imputation of righteousness, justification, The indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the filling of the Spirit occur withing a nanosecond of believing. They are totally saved and can then begin to grow and understand spiritual things the things about God that the natural man cannot. Salvation is simple, needs no spiritual understanding, Believe on the Lord Jesus and "whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)
God in His "Foreknowledge," predestinated all who would believe to be conformed into the image of His dear Son. Did God Foreordain those whom He foreordained to be the image of His dear Son? That is what you seem to be saying that He did! Why would Paul have even said that? Instead He said "those whom He foreknew them He also Predestinated," Those whom He preordained them He Preordained, did he?

 

Not semi but full Pelagianism.

 

More nonsense. Show us all where Jesus said make a choice and then I will save you. In light of Scripture salvation is not via choice, John 1:13; Romans 9:16. Ephesians 1:15; James 1:18. Ephesians 1:19. It is God who chooses, not man, 1 Thessalonians 1:4; John 15:16, and note Genesis 12:1ff. It is all over the Scriptures, and proves your ideology to being man made to the order of Charles G Finney and his 'New Divinity'. You've been indoctrinated by his followers unbeknownst to you. You've gotten your teaching from Scripture alright, but is is from wresting and misunderstanding nearly every single text you use.

And you believe contrary to Scripture that man does this by making a decision, thus you supplant God with man, and then boast about it. John 6:63 is only one text that shows you to be in abject error. I highly doubt you will ever study these passages that destroy your teachings, and see that they actually dismantle what you teach.

We know...and it is all purely subjective.

You aren't even seeing your inconsistency. You teach by implication man already has faith and ability, then you use a passage, Romans 10:17 that perfectly shows faith comes from God. Then there is the difference between can and will, something you fail to address because it also shows you to be in error; John 6:44. You teach contrary to what Christ said and to what the Scriptures mean.

What is the difference between 'can' and 'will' mwc? Read the text in John 6:44.

More inconsistency on your part. You've taught elsewhere of the ability of the natural man to understand and come to Christ, now you say the natural man cannot...hmmmm. Why such inconsistency and double teachings?

Obviously it is not because you're not grasping the Gospel at all.

More absurd inconsistency on your part "They can't understand, they can understand, need not understand' lolzzzzzzzzzzz. Friend you're a theological mess in this post. All over the place. Double teachings.

Nonsensical. You don't understand the order of salvation in any part.

 

Men are saved by following God's command, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and though shalt be saved, Acts 16:31, not one place does Paul state be regenerated and believe. Then in Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved." If this is rebellion and Falsehood take it up with Paul, then Jesus "that whosever believeth in Him will not perish but have everlasting life." Jesus said nothing about He would regenerate you in order for you to be saved. Please show where He says I will regenerate you first so you can believe.