A return to it's theological foundation

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thanks for sharing the video, I'm new to learning the history of this conservative resurgence in the SBC I've always heard referenced so often. Dr. Mohler is a very impressive man I admire greatly.

Do you admire him more than Christ? Not picking on you Jeremy but rather what I am seeing on this thread is both praises of certain religious identities & a questioning of others. Is our praise & excoriation of human kind more important than the active work of the Triune spirit to tend to the flock?

Mohler took a very active role of purging those who were not orthodox from an SBA Flagship Seminary....and perhaps it needed to be done. I dont know, but that was his choice. But we must remember that its a Religious institution & any institution with time is bound to become ....er, 'unorthodox'......and that's why I stay far away from that lot.

I serve God, Christ is my savior & all my praise is directed toward Him....not Mohler, not Piper, not Washer or Graham.....blah, blah, blah.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I’m reading (re-reading for about the 100th time) John Owen. One of his comments from “The Mortification of Sin” fits well here. Owen states that the mortification of sin “from a self-strength, carried on by ways of self-invention, unto the end of a self-righteousness, is the soul and substance of all false religion in the world." Yet he insists that the mortification “of indwelling sin remaining in our mortal bodies, that it may not have life and power to bring forth the works or deeds of the flesh is the constant duty of believers”. And this is a duty with a promise – that you shall live.

... and live into eternity......BRAVO!

 

[kyredneck]

People do not affect people toward their eternal destiny???

As I said, one humongous contradiction:

Many a sincere person becomes sincerely in error when they think their study has lead them to a place where they need to "help God out" as if He needed anything from our hands.

So how many names have you gotten added to the list?:

20 Nevertheless in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven. Lu 10

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
5 having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1

 

[kyredneck]

Do you think she is a saved person Larry?

Believe me, when I say this, I mean it, that's not my call. Perhaps if I knew her as a person I would have an opinion.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Believe me, when I say this, I mean it, that's not my call. Perhaps if I knew her as a person I would have an opinion.

Larry, she stands out of the boundaries of Orthodox Christian Teachings. To the Conservative Reformed, this woman was considered a threat. ICON stands for all things Conservative Reformed, so you could at least understand his position.

Now Mohler is being heralded as the champion of Conservative Reformed thinking. I pray that it is a balanced position to hold.

Personally I believe that Conservative Reformed thinking has no room for any other division....not Fundamentalists, not Primitive Baptists, etc. They confuse Christian Justice with their stance.....so they are justified in the position they hold. If they could only lean towards the 'Mercy' position, we would all be better off.

 

[kyredneck]

Do you think she is a saved person Larry?

...and you need to understand that "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" catechism which is the heart of Hardline Restrictivism is the issue here.

49 But this multitude that knoweth not the _____ are accursed. Jn 7

a. law
b. gospel

 

[kyredneck]

Larry, she stands out of the boundaries of Orthodox Christian Teachings. To the Conservative Reformed, this woman was considered a threat. ICON stands for all things Conservative Reformed, so you could at least understand his position.

...and Icon insinuates all those outside of what he considers orthodox are hellbound. IOW, if you're not like Iconoclast 'to hell with you'.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...and you need to understand that "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" catechism which is the heart of Hardline Restrictivism is the issue here.

49 But this multitude that knoweth not the _____ are accursed. Jn 7

a. law
b. gospel

I dont even know what you are talking about.....so I googled it. Its a Catholic doctrine....nothing outside the church. Are you implying this is a RC conspiracy?

Regarding hardline restrictivism, yea perhaps you got something......is that akin to anal retentive thinking?!? Laugh

 

[kyredneck]

Its a Catholic doctrine....nothing outside the church.

Have you read the article? By no means is it 'Catholic only' doctrine.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Have you read the article? By no means is it 'Catholic only' doctrine.

No...... Is it long & tedious? I really have no patience for that . Perhaps you can summarize!.

 

[kyredneck]

Perhaps you should read it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...and Icon insinuates all those outside of what he considers orthodox are hellbound. IOW, if you're not like Iconoclast 'to hell with you'.

I have spoken to him personally. He doesn't think that way. But he is rigid. I think I can understand why ...but that is something I wont disclose.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Perhaps you should read it.

That sounds threatening.

 

[Yeshua1]

http://www.baptistbanner.org/Subarchive_1/1094 Molly Marshall The Rest of the Story.htm



There is really no biblical support for the notion of Universalism, nor a second chance after physical death...

A Calvinist like myself would see the Bible supporting the truth that the Lord himself knows those whom he has chosen to save in Christ already, and will by Grace work to redeem them ...

Non calvinist true to the scriptures as they see them would also say that NONE are without excuse, as the lord has provide enough "saving grace" to whosoever wills to come to God...

So that professor is wrong on both of her points!

 

[Iconoclast]

"Earth Wind and Fire

Do you admire him more than Christ?

No one said anything about admiring him or any other person more than Christ. When you make this kind of comment you show you are not really dealing with the issue at hand.

Not picking on you Jeremy but rather what I am seeing on this thread is both praises of certain religious identities & a questioning of others. Is our praise & excoriation of human kind more important than the active work of the Triune spirit to tend to the flock?

this does not make sense.

Mohler took a very active role of purging those who were not orthodox from an SBA Flagship Seminary....and perhaps it needed to be done.

It is Dr.Mohler....he is a gifted accomplished person. You speak of him as if he he was some guy bagging groceries at shop rite.

I dont know, but that was his choice.

You do know...you read what she said.

But we must remember that its a Religious institution & any institution with time is bound to become ....er, 'unorthodox'......and that's why I stay far away from that lot.

you are critical of everything so where does any credibility come from.....you are not even a church member....

I serve God,

And yet not in any church?

 

[Iconoclast]

kyredneck

As I said, one humongous contradiction:

It seems that way to you because of your limited, narrow, and wrong view of biblical means of grace, and evangelism. You do not believe in it as most of the PB churches are known and identified as having a twisted view of evangelism...basically they do not obey the great commission.

So how many names have you gotten added to the list?:

I would desire that it was everyone I speak with....The number is known to God.

20 Nevertheless in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven. Lu 10

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
5 having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1

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Yes God has a plan that existed before the world was...that is wonderful. No one on earth knows all those who God has included in that plan for salvation....but we do know that God has told us ...TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD..... and make disciples.
Everyone does that except PB members....evidently. Sounds like you sit back saying, if God is going to save em, He will save em....and we can just sit here in our little building and wait and see if anyone comes in. good luck with that!CautiousCautiousCautiousCautiousCautious

 

[Jeremy Seth]

Do you admire him more than Christ? Not picking on you Jeremy but rather what I am seeing on this thread is both praises of certain religious identities & a questioning of others. Is our praise & excoriation of human kind more important than the active work of the Triune spirit to tend to the flock?

Mohler took a very active role of purging those who were not orthodox from an SBA Flagship Seminary....and perhaps it needed to be done. I dont know, but that was his choice. But we must remember that its a Religious institution & any institution with time is bound to become ....er, 'unorthodox'......and that's why I stay far away from that lot.

I serve God, Christ is my savior & all my praise is directed toward Him....not Mohler, not Piper, not Washer or Graham.....blah, blah, blah.

Its a fair concern to point out if you believe someone is practicing idolatry, but I don't see that happening in this thread.
I don't predict I'll ever get to a point where I individually don't have another greater model of Christian life to learn from, and I hope to correctly identify them as I age.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

kyredneck


It seems that way to you because of your limited, narrow, and wrong view of biblical means of grace, and evangelism. You do not believe in it as most of the PB churches are known and identified as having a twisted view of evangelism...basically they do not obey the great commission.

I would desire that it was everyone I speak with....The number is known to God.

Yes God has a plan that existed before the world was...that is wonderful. No one on earth knows all those who God has included in that plan for salvation....but we do know that God has told us ...TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD..... and make disciples.
Everyone does that except PB members....evidently. Sounds like you sit back saying, if God is going to save em, He will save em....and we can just sit here in our little building and wait and see if anyone comes in. good luck with that!CautiousCautiousCautiousCautiousCautious[/QUOTE]

He does save them.....He is God & He is sovereign....and sometimes He uses us and every PB knows this. So it confuses me to watch you accuse us for something you Tony do not fully understand and appreciate. I'm going to spend this morning in prayer that you brother have a better/ less biased understanding of Primitive Baptists.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"Earth Wind and Fire

It is Dr.Mohler....he is a gifted accomplished person. You speak of him as if he he was some guy bagging groceries at shop rite.

Well at least that would be a humble & honest livingWink

You do know...you read what she said.

So tell me, a child is born brain damaged......cant speak, hear, communicate.....in short, totally incapable of hearing the gospel. Years later, she dies. What is her place in eternity?

you are critical of everything so where does any credibility come from.....you are not even a church member....

How do you know I am not a church member? You know what happens when you assume dont you .....Smile

And yet not in any church?

Are you obsessed with this......Is this what KRN was alluding to?Barefoot

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thanks..... that clears it up!