Featured Various Forms of Fundamentalism (particularly IFB)

So you have a problem with the "pursuit of certainty of doctrine"?

 

Just....wow!

 

Do you think that the fact that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world should be uncertain?

 

This reminds me of the warning given to the church at Ephesus in the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 2 (local church at Ephesus)
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Jesus commends them in vs 1-3 for their diligence in correct doctrine and practice.
But they had left their first love - perhaps because "correctness" had taken priority over agape love.

NKJV 1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

Most certainly correct doctrine is an absolute necessity but even that necessity must be tempered with agape love.

HankD

 

What do you mean by should be taken "on faith"? as opposed to being certain of what Jesus did and our salvation?

 

So do you have a source for these views other than your own thinking? In particular, your last sentence looms as so completely different from the fundamentalism I grew up with and espouse that I can't for the life of me imagine where you got it.

 

Maranatha and DBTS are not dissenters at all. Rather, they represent a separate stream of fundamentalism than what you probably grew up with. They both developed out of the fundamentalist movement in the Northern Baptist Convention, originally called the Fundamentalist Fellowship when founded in 1920. Eventually this group exited the NBC and became the Conservative Baptist Association. Within that group was a battle over premillenialism in Colorado (there were other issues nationwide) that resulted in the branch of the IFB movement I am a part of, with Maranatha, Pillsbury, Central Baptist Theological Seminary and others schools being started. (I'm simplifying a complicated history.)

 

That figure is correct. In Walden's biography it gives that figure for 1974. And in those days the paper was all about living for Christ and seeing revival. It opposed the KJVO movement and radical separatism. As you know, my Granddad got into trouble in those days for being friends with SBC leaders like Criswell or Adrian Rogers. I'm reading Criswells's autobiography right now (a great read) and he spends several pages describing how he met John R. Rice as a boy of 12 and was greatly encouraged and then called to preach.

Even Hyles wasn't a Hylesite in those days! I've had various fundamentalist leaders tell me they saw a big change in Hyles after JRR died in 1980.

 

I'm not sure I agree. Lee Roberson was the first to do a bus ministry, I believe, and his approach was not the post-Rice Hyles style at all: self-aggrandizement, KJVO, etc.

 

Please explain, then. I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Your post #17 seemed to be a catch-all view lumping all bus ministries together.

I've seen various bus ministries which were greatly blessed.