Featured vessels of wrath

All the links speak the same truth Hank. It is spoken for a blessing to the people of God.
Some do not believe these truths and will resist unto death, like those in Acts 7.....
Sometimes people want to insist that these two classes of people do not exist as part of God's plan, but they do.
I am also convinced that we are not to ignore or bypass these truths even if they are not popular by religionists who resist the truth of God. If they are included clearly in the scripture, they are included by Divine design and not optional. It is quite possible that these truths in particular are written as a means God uses to convert a multitude of sinners.
To speak against clearly revealed truth cannot go well for the person who does that.

 

Van,

Some posters copy and paste good links from gifted teachers from church history that God has given to the church. Some posters are teachable and not afraid to admit that these former saints knew more than most do today and are not afraid tosearch out what they said. Posters who copy and paste from gifted teachers who are accurately handling the word of truth...do disparage persons who mock these gifted teachers and offer novelties and rejected failed ideas with anti Christ carnal thoughts as the basis of the teaching.....yes

You have been answered countless times on your false ideas....you refuse the answer. You were asked to not post them here again...yet you persist...
I hear a term used on here.....internet troll.....is that what you are doing??? I just googled this...maybe it will help you;

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What is so hard to grasp here....In post 56...the link I offered mentioned several verses to contrast vessels of mercy, from vessels of wrath. I offered the link, as it described vessels of wrath as part of it.....to give the context of the statement.
The OP. is about vessels of wrath.

You have to decide if you want to interact with the OP or not. I did not post the thread so you could go off and offer the same verses you offer on every other thread. It does not matter what the topic is, you try and offer the same verses no matter what.
You can call me whatever names you like.....it does not bother me.
However...if and when you do, I can ignore it or offer some return metaphors in your direction....you then start crying like a little schoolgirl and looking for a loophole to wiggle out of the situation. if you cannot stand the heat...don't play in the kitchen.

 

Here is a man who defends the supralapsarian position on this teaching; do you agree or disagree with him and why;
http://www.abaptistvoice.com/English/Articles/Grace/TwoKindsOfVessels.htm
vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory" (Rom. 9:20-23).

Very few preachers living today will ever dare to read these verses in their churches, much less give an honest exposition of them to their people. If their members inquire about these verses most preachers will try to explain away their plain sense. We live in a time when Arminianism has gained the upperhand of the theological world. Very few preachers can be found who really and truly believe in sovereign grace and will preach it to their people. Even most so-called sovereign gracers are in truth Calminians.

Those who fear God and take the words of the Bible seriously can see that these verses teach election and reprobation according to Gods sovereignty. Here is seen the greatness of the Creator and the nothingness of the creature. Gods will is supreme and right in eternity and time. In an unusual manner, Paul clears God from any charge of cruelty and unmercifulness by observing His conduct in time toward both the elect and the reprobate.
VESSELS OF WRATH

In the first two verses God is represented as the Potter, and men as clay in His hands (Isa. 64:8; Jer. 18:1-6). As the potter has power over the clay to shape it in what form he pleases, so God has unlimited power over His creatures to make from the same lump of human clay vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy. No truly saved person challenges that right of God. Rather, he most reverently bows to it as the Scripture of truth. What would the ability to fashion be worth, if God were under the dictation of that which is to be fashioned?

I understand by "vessels of wrath" vessels which are destined to be objects of wrath, or vessels to be filled up with Gods wrath (Isa. 51:20). In I Thessalonians 5:9 Paul said: "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." These words suggest that God did appoint some to wrath who are called in my text "vessels of wrath."

Here is seen the doctrine of reprobation or rejection. Although this doctrine is sparingly mentioned in the Bible, it most assuredly is taught in my text and in other places. If God chose some to salvation (II Thess. 2:13), then common sense teaches us that others were unchosen. In Romans 11:7 Paul said: ". . .the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded." In John 13:18 Christ said: "I speak not of you all; I know whom I have chosen," implying some were not chosen. According to John 17:6 the Father gave Christ a people "out of the world." Then there must be a world not given to Christ (II Peter 2:5; I John 5:19), and for which He will not pray (John 17:9). There can be no election without reprobation, for reprobation is the negative side of election.

The Divine decree of the rejection of some men is twofold: preterition and predamnation. Preterition is a mere leaving of the creature out of the bounds of Gods election. Predamnation is Gods appointment of the non-elect to everlasting wrath. Preterition is negative; predamnation is positive. Preterition is God withholding His grace to which no man has a claim. Predamnation is God considering man as a guilty sinner who deserved condemnation and wrath.

The words, "the same lump," speaks of man as lying in the mere mass of creatorship, pictured by unformed clay before being put into shape. While in this state some were rejected. God left them as He found them in the pure mass before they had done either good or evil (Rom. 9:11). This was an act of Gods sovereign will and pleasure. That is why Paul starts out by saying: "What if God, willing to shew his wrath. . ." God had a greater right to do this than any earthly potter.

Predamnation is Gods appointment of men Who He passed over to punishment for their sins (Jude 4). God gave some "over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" (Rom. 1:28). In Psalm 81:12 God said He "gave them up unto their own hearts lusts." The reprobate God left in their natural condition of enmity against God. He denied these the grace that could have cured their depraved hearts (Ezek. 36:26-27; Matt. 11:25-26). These are given up to believe a lie and be damned (II Thess. 2:10-12). Such wicked persons are "reserved to the day of destruction" and "shall be brought forth to the day of wrath" (Job 21:30). Job 20:29 says: "This is the portion of a wicked man from God, and the heritage appointed unto him by God."

 

I do not hold what this man does.
I did think he offered some solid ideas that need to be considered in this discussion.