Featured Dishonest Debate Tactic

You're not calling me a liar? Are you going to say you did not have me in mind when you created this thread?

Be honest.

You do not see a correlation between being a liar and conveying evil as mentioned in your OP...and our own discussions?

Simply amazing, Biblicist, how you try to rationalize anything that makes you look bad. You really need to work on that.

Probably best for me to refrain from talking with you anymore at this time, because I can see you are not at a point where you can set your emotion to the side for the sake of Doctrinal Discussion.

So go ahead, start threads intended to smear those you don't like. With me, you will have numerous allies.


God bless.

 

Please, no one is perfect.
Honesty is a subjective machination in the heart of each one of us.
Yes others can see it better than ourselves if we are being dishonest.
BUT, we can be unaware.

Gentle?

2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

OK Biblicist was trying to be gentle but it did grate on the souls of some.

I've been guilty of unaware dishonesty, I can handle gentle rebuke. Anyone else?

HankD

 

But you didn't mind personalizing it in the other thread.

Really restraining myself to throw in a lol, don't want you to think I don't find that hilarious...

How about...





Both represent the same thing.

If you want it to be honest, then quote me denying the Old Testament Saint was justified. And then explain how I can possibly be teaching that when I have several times pointed out their perfection:


Hebrews 12:18-24

King James Version (KJV)


18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


So...show you are sincere and quote me saying Old Testament Saints were not justified.

That's all you have to do.


God bless.

 

Sorry, Hank, but you are wrong: every born again believer is perfect:


Hebrews 10:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


The problem is that you are imposing a modern understanding of a word used to translate the Greek, thus, you impose a perfection which is not the Biblical Perfection that is in view in regards to the content of the discussion/s I have had with Biblicist.

I am not speaking of the modern connotation which suggests believers are sinless, or do no wrong, but referring to the position of the believer from an eternal perspective in relation to Eternal Redemption.

The simple teaching that would have been understood by the First Century audience was that believers were not made complete under the Law, but are made complete through Christ and the New Covenant.

If you want to say that you are not perfect, then you would have to ascribe legitimacy to sacrificial offerings that are not the Offering of Christ.

And I know you well enough to know you do not.

And this is what I mean about dishonesty in regards to debate. You see, I don't assume that Biblicist is completely dishonest about certain issues, but believe he simply is not capable of understanding this at this time. As far as making public statements that I deny Old Testament Saints were justified, or even saved for that matter...is open dishonesty, because I have addressed these false charges many times.

The burden is on him to quote me from the Public Record saying this, or, he is shown to be dishonest in the arguments he has presented, which goes back to the OP, showing hypocrisy, which shows that the premise of the OP is false, as I have said already.

Some just have a talent for creating threads and single-handedly dismantling the very argument they present.

And the bottom line...this seems to be a matter of arguing just for the sake of argument.

I can say with certainty that I have never denied the justification of the Old Testament Saint, because it is actually a defense of my own position, that, though justified by God, there was still the need for those justified to be made perfect/complete in Christ.

And that is a point I have presented for several years here, so the Public Record can be consulted to verify consistency on my part.

I have made the simple point for years that it is in error to impose the fulfillment and realization of what was only promise in the Ages prior to this one.

So just so you know, my friend, in my eyes...

...you are perfect.

So is Biblicist.

And whether you guys acknowledge this or not doesn't change the truth of it, lol.




God bless.

 

Oh come on Darrell Be honest! you know I don't mean positional perfection but practical perfection.

If you believe I am perfect ask my wife

HankD

 

Secret - We all have been guilty.

Thanks
HankD

 

All persons who have walked this earth in flesh and blood - save One - has been a fallen version of a human being at one point or another.

People throw labels on others and place them on themselves, but that does not change that fact.

Only someone with severe comprehension issues or someone deliver ably trying to twist words would come to that conclusion.

if you are going to make posts like this, I would appreciate it if you would not misuse the name of God as you do it. We all will face judgment for what we say and do (Matthew 12:36, Exodus 20:7).

 

I do believe you have pointed out just what you were referring to in your Original post.

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Hank old buddy... If she is anything like mine she will whip out a list... You know the one... the honey do list you didn't do... Is that one of them hidden sins?... Brother Glen

 

Yes that's the one (and several others).

HankD

 

But...weren't you the one applying labels? lol

What I said is true. Look at it again.

I am quite Confident the Lord has no problem with me wishing my blessing on you, my friend.

Perhaps if you read what I said, then look at your own statement in the context you gave it, you will see that the reasoning is sound, and, it was not an attempt to belittle you, simply point out the fallacy of your statement.It's one thing to call a Christian a liberal, quite another to call one a fallen human being.

If you want illogical posts, I can refer you to at least two now that will suit your desire.




God bless.

 

Okay, Biblicist, my "man-made" doctrine has nothing to do with me, lol.


God bless.

 

Duplicate post.


God bless.

 

Still waiting for that quote of me saying men were not justified in the Old Testament.

If you want to discuss Perfection I suggest you respond to my own address of your erroneous teaching that men are not yet made perfect.

You can find that here.

Perfection is not speaking about glorification. Anyone familiar with Hebrews...knows that.

And this is just one element of the discussion we have been having, one which you need to acquaint yourself.

And just to reiterate one argument presented to you on numerous occasions, we are not saved any more than the Old Testament Saint that did not receive the Eternal Indwelling Spirit promised, than we will be "more saved" when we are glorified. Salvation is the result of God's Grace, which, for the Old Testament Saint is described as Forbearance, but for us it is...

...finished.


God bless.