Featured BETRAYAL

Probably the first name to come to a Christian's mind:

Judas Iscariot.
If he was never on your team, then it would not be called BETRAYAL.

Common sense.


It would be a infiltrator, spy.



Same goes with words like Rebellion.

If Canada decided to attack the United States you wouldn't call the United States rebels or in rebellion.

If within United States there was a war seeking to overthrow the government that is rebellion.

 

1 Corinthians 12
27Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

Judas was appointed apostle. Being of the highest office in the church he would have to meet all the qualifications of lower offices bishop/overseer/deacons.



Acts 1
17“For he was counted among us and received his share in this ministry.”


Luke 6
16Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.


If he was a traitor from the beginning, he wouldn't have "become" a traitor.

 

He called Peter Satan.

You have to be on the same side for it to be BETRAYAL.

To be a TRAITOR.


In acts a legit "BISHOPRICK" ministry was held by Judas. With higher requirements he had to meet all criteria of overseer or deacon an apostle.

The idea that Jesus Christ would knowingly appoint to the holy office of apostle a child of the devil would be a sacrilege on Jesus part.....ie that's a SIN.



Matthew 10
1Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.


NOT ELEVEN.......TWELVE. Also there is an issue here with Satan casting out Satan.

Matthew 12
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?

Jesus is saying Satan cannot cast out Satan. Jesus Christ gave Judas Iscariot AUTHORITY to cast out Satan.



Matthew 19

27Then Peter said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Not Eleven......TWELVE.


Matthew 12 (TWELVE)

49And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! 50“For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”


Judas Iscariot was FAMILY to Jesus Christ.


Luke 14
33“So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.
34“Therefore, salt is good; but if even salt has become tasteless, with what will it be seasoned? 35“It is useless either for the soil or for the manure pile; it is thrown out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

Requirement met by Judas not only that requirement but the higher ones of overseer,deacon, and apostle.. You had to be CHRISTIAN just be a disciple.


Judas was disciple and an APOSTLE. that is the highest office of the church, Judas was part of the church. A member of the body of Christ. Heres qualifications for this office: 1 timothy 3, Titus 1

The idea that Jesus knowingly pick a UNSAVED person to the position of apostle is to accuse Jesus of a blasphemy/sin.

Matthew 10
22“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.

Jesus warned the apostles those that endure will be saved.

Judas was never saved to begin with and Jesus told him "but if he endures to the end he will be saved".

 

If the bible said Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not want hamburgers and who wanted French Fries.

That doesn't mean the guy who wanted French Fries doesn't want a hamburger.

That's why we use words like NIETHER and NOR rather two "who's"



BELIEF, Trust, obedience, and LOYALTY are different things.

I could connect belief and obedience together that disqualifies everyone including the Eleven as apostles.

Belief doesn't always mean acknowledge their existence.


Jesus calling out a DEVIL rather then a Atheist, gives you even a worst case.

Judas believes, just like Satan believes Jesus is the Christ. A DEVIL believes in GOD.
A Devil has been IN THE PRESENCE of God. There is not ONE DEVIL that doesn't believe in God.

If Judas was NEVER a apostle Jesus would have said "have I not chosen eleven"


Let me give you an example:



Matthew 7
22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’


Matthew 12
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27


When you reconcile both these verses it should be clear that those of Matthew 7 indeed had the LEGIT belief and authority of Jesus Christ. and did GOOD THINGS in the name of Jesus Christ.

They are not casting out devils by the devils power else as Jesus pointed out it would be contradictory and Satan is dived against himself.

If they were NON-believers in the sense of existence and trust they wouldn't believe they could cast out demons or do miracles to begin with.

If you think about it the entire point of Matthew 7 verse is precisely AGAINST Once Saved Always Saved.

22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’


Jesus already laid out that the devil can't give authority for devil casting out devils. Because if he does he will mess himself up "kingdom divided". On the devil's boat the crew are not allowed to have guns.......because they'd kill each other and the boat would sink right away.

So "UNBELIEVERS" being under the authority of Satan can't cast out or do miracles.

Its BELIEVERS who are under the authority of Jesus who cast out demons and do miracles.
They fall because they practice lawlessness. They are fallen they don't have the authority of Jesus, they cannot do miracles or cast out demons.

 

I don't think anyone numbered among "truly his disciple".

"You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.

He didn't ask Judas only.

He didn't thank the apostles.

ALL of them betrayed him ran and left him alone, when he was arrested.


Very next chapter, Jesus is by himself


John 7
5For not even His brothers were believing in Him.


Are Jesus' brothers damned and unsaved?



John 7

. 8“Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come.” 9Having said these things to them, He stayed in Galilee.
10But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.


Here is a bonus nugget for fun, Did Jesus just LIE to his brothers?

Hint: Jesus is not a Liar.

 

You haven't offended me. From every post I've read from you have been very polite and kind.

I just brought up the Jesus "lie" up for FUN having stumbled on it on John 7.
My bible "knowledge" is very tiny and your input is very helpful.

Like if you start talking about old testament bad kings and stuff......you will lose me.

If I do get angry ill make sure to use one of these!-->



The meat and potatoes of the post is his brothers.

Who is Jesus' brothers?

Matthew 12

46While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. 47Someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.” 48But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! 50“For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

Here he is stretching out his hands towards disciples.....and none of these are going to be around. To give you some reference point between Mathew and John, He feeds the 5000 in Mathew 14, john 5, mark 8, luke 9 (I had to look up mark and luke didn't know where it was)


We see people who are believers and who even work miracles and cast out demons which is only possible by belief and receiving the authority of Jesus. And these many of these Jesus warns will and do FALL.

 

Matthew 26,
49And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him. 50And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

Note the saddest thing about betrayal is it doesn't come from an enemy, but a friend or loved one.

Its simple, you can't be betrayed unless they were on your side to begin with.

That's what a TRAITOR is.