The Myth of "faith being credited for Righteousness"

[Aaron]

You have NOTHING to base an argument upon except unbiblical assumptions so it would be wise to stop arguing. Jesus does not say "once Abraham left this earth" he rejoiced to see his day - that is your eisgesis and it is proven false by the fact that Peter says David when he wrote Psalm 16 knew it referred to Christ whom he called "Lord" while still alive. If your eisegetical comment on Abraham were true it would have to be equally true for David and all other Old Testament saints but it is not true of David or any Old Testament saint.

Finally, it is not what I am "looking at them through" but their own very words which they used and distinctions they made themselves. Jesus explicitly states that David himself called him "Lord" and Peter explicitly states that David "KNOWING" that Psalm 16 was applied to Christ and not himself.

K

Your argument is with them, and New Testament writers not me.

Lol. I said that to you first. Nya, nya!

 

[The Biblicist]

K

Lol. I said that to you first. Nya, nya!

Aaron you may have said this first, but you have not produced ANYTHING from the Old or New Testament that demonstrates I am at odds with them. On the other hand, I have given you abundant evidences from their own statements that your opinions are completely contradicted by them and your response has simply been to ignore what they have said. So in reality, it is you and not I, that is opposing both Old and New Testament writers.

 

[Aaron]

hi Aaron, here is how the NASB renders Romans 4:6, "just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:" Impute is not the correct word meaning, as indicated by the vast majorly of English translations.

Yeah, yeah. Means the same thing.

vs 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
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How is it a blessing to receive a righteousness that is your own, and who looks for righteousness except those who have none?

 

[Van]

Yet another bogus assertion, yet another post devoid of scripture, bogus in bogus out.

 

[Van]

One, impute does not mean the same as credit or reckon, or count. Bogus in bogus out. But we can agree, it is a great blessing to obtain approval by faith. Just read Luke 16:19-30.

 

[Yeshua1]

One, impute does not mean the same as credit or reckon, or count. Bogus in bogus out. But we can agree, it is a great blessing to obtain approval by faith. Just read Luke 16:19-30.

God imputes to us as sinners the rightiousness of Jesus, and that is His direct work!

 

[Internet Theologian]

Seems many are assuming that YHWH in Genesis 15 is The Father.

I say this because I believe this is The Christ not The Father.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not sure if this was brought up, but Romans 4:5-6 states plainly, that the righteousness Abraham obtained was imputed.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. EVEN AS David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.
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Read it and weep, Van.

Van won't have that...it is found in the bible.

 

[SovereignGrace]

"Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness."[Genesis 15:6]

"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[Romans 4:3b]

"being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.[Romans 4:21-24]

There very same wordings in these verses have the same expression 'He credited him'. That same expression carries over into Romans 4:24 "but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness." Van has no biblical leg to stand on with his ideology that Abraham was not imputed with the righteousness of Jesus Christ. We are credited as being righteous in the exact same manner Abraham was.

 

[SovereignGrace]

"And the scripture was fulfilled that says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,' and he was called God’s friend."[James 2:23]

There's that pesky "and it was credited to him as righteousness" again. Wow! That saying is all over the bible. And read where it says "and he(Abraham) was called God's friend." Seeing that the unregenerate are enemies of God, that puts Abraham squarely in the regenerate camp. Which means he was justified by faith, which means he was in 'right standing' with God, which means he was God's friend.

 

[Van]

God imputes to us as sinners the righteousness of Jesus, and that is His direct work!

Did you forget to support this myth with scripture? And did you notice SG omitted "it" (faith)? If this is the best the nameless doctrine folks have, scant would be an exaggeration.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Did you forget to support this myth with scripture? And did you notice SG omitted "it" (faith)? If this is the best the nameless doctrine folks have, scant would be an exaggeration.

Look, you're on an island with your heresy. I showed you via the scriptures that we are credited/imputed/counted/reckoned with righteousness the same way Abraham was. We have the credited/imputed/reckoned/counted righteousness of Christ just as Abraham was.

Now, admit you are wrong and bow before God and tell Him you're sorry.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Did you forget to support this myth with scripture? And did you notice SG omitted "it" (faith)? If this is the best the nameless doctrine folks have, scant would be an exaggeration.

So, being imputed with the righteousness of Jesus Christ and that directly being His work is a myth?? Wowzers.

You are slowly peeling the layers off like an onion, Van. And the deeper you get inside the onion, the stronger the stench.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Van, are sinners imputed with the righteousness of Jesus Christ?

A yes or no will suffice...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Did you forget to support this myth with scripture? And did you notice SG omitted "it" (faith)? If this is the best the nameless doctrine folks have, scant would be an exaggeration.

You're on an unsustainable path...

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[SovereignGrace]

Did you forget to support this myth with scripture? And did you notice SG omitted "it" (faith)? If this is the best the nameless doctrine folks have, scant would be an exaggeration.

So Van, does God impute the righteousess of Christ to sinners?

A simple yes or no will suffice. ..

 

[SovereignGrace]

So, being imputed with the righteousness of Jesus Christ and that directly being His work is a myth?? Wowzers.

You are slowly peeling the layers off like an onion, Van. And the deeper you get inside the onion, the stronger the stench.

Van, you'very been on here since I have ask this. Man up and answer it.

 

[rsr]

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Can't come a moment too soon. These threads have become the province of a very few posters who alienate each other and keep other members from sticking their heads out of their shells for fear someone will bite it off.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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