Featured 1 Cor. 6:15 defines the nature of the TRUE body of Christ

The Church came into history at Pentacost....
And that was w theHoly Spirt did something hat He neverhad donbefoe, indwell ALLsaved proples!

 

Th OT believers were saved by God by being includedin those saved by Cross, but the Spiri had not yyet comeinto world do indwell seal all saved, as Jesus not died/risen yey!

 

Believe that the Spiri Himself was able to regenerate tthem to be saved in the sense sins were being remittd/by passed over, so they had new hearts and mind t obey God, but not the enabling of the Spirit as we do now to help them....

No ONE thought regading this as some Reformed see it as I do, others as you do...

 

ALL of us are now sealed and indwelt by the Spirit, asw e ALL have been baptized into Body of Christ...
That happens when we first believed, not when water baptized!

 

"The Biblicist,

These passages do speak of a NT.Context,. and in EPH 3-tells us the primary function of the NT prophets;
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
That gentiles would be on equal footing was the mystery now revealed.

The reason I say it would include the OT. prophets is the new testamant says so.;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

 

The Biblicist,

John saw several groups assembled in heaven...

rev6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

here is another;rev7;
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
They were seen by John.....assembled In heaven

 

The Biblicist,

Paul did not instruct them that apostates were real parts of the body...he warns them to watch for these wolves who rise up speaking perverse things....not to "accept them" as part of the institutional body.
25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I
ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

 

"The Biblicist,
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God which He hath purchased with His own blood.
29 For I know this: that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them.

The Ephesian elders pastored that church while they were on earth...
They are not on earth now B....where do they assemble, and who is their pastor now?

Wolves came in ....among the true saints in the earthly physical assembly. Those wolves have no part with those assembled in heaven.

Any pastor of any local assembly can tell a congregation that God has purchased His people by His covenant death.
Congregations of assembled people are cautioned to examine themselves....to make sure they are in the faith;
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

Not one.....that is part of what you do not understand. I have said several times now....the complete uninversal flock as you call it....will fully assemble on the last day.
All saints from all time will be there. I reject your unscriptural divisions of the body of Christ. I reject "your guest theory".
There are degrees of reward....but no two tier salvation. This jumping around between the term family , house, and church is quite over worked in your theory.

 

The Biblicist,

I understand Martins posts..I think he understands mine. I do not ask him to agree with everything i offer as I take some stands that are still a work in progress.

I know the context of 1 jn.

That is your assertion....You run wild with the term family...
let me ask you...with your view....How can someone possibly be in the FAMILY as you like to call it....but then go out from the family??? Do they lose salvation? Do they become unborn? Your view certainly makes no sense here at all.
In my view...they went out from us[The church being the us}

That looks exactly what you did here.

The church...is made up of members in particular. Yes they have bodies which are temples of the Spirit of God. These assembled saints are the church.

You use this as a defense and I am sure we will get to these verses over time...not now. I have been up since 330am, and need to wake at that time tommorow , drive 300 miles in order to make service.

Not at all....the man was to be put out, unless and until he repented. In that case , looks like he did. It does not change pauls use of the phrase"called a brother".

Where did I say there was an earthly UIC....??? put up or shut up as you like to say. I told you several times I believe in local church only ....on earth...