Steve Bannon

[Baptist Believer]

That's all the other poster offered. You praised it. I say the same thing and it falls short. Go figure.

Because the person who made the other comment is not someone throwing out all kinds of wild accusations, and he does not seem to be blind to reality. I know him from other discussions and he is quite reasonable, even if I often disagree with him.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Mr. President-elect, is that you?

LOL.......Mmmmmmm, could be

 

[Calminian]

Actually my issue is mostly with a string of six dealerships and the dishonest practices they engaged in over 20 years ago. One of the major issues is that they would claim I needed repairs when I did not, and other times they would claim that they performed repairs when they did not. There was also an issue with the way the manufacturers warranty work was handled in that they would not actually diagnose a problem, they would simply work off the checklist resulting in a lot of time without transportation and no resolution of the problem. When I tried to take these issues up with higher authorities, I was rebuffed.

So there's another thing for you to be vexed about.


What they did was not a secret, and telling you the details will only harm a relative since its clear how you treat people you don't agree with.


How childish is it to expect to be able to tell another person whether or not they must believe the world of a media source? You are not my judge and I do my own critical thinking and analysis.


As if I ever made that claim. For the third time, I told you I dismissed claims of anti-semetism, but I guess that doesn't fit the narrative you've built up in your feverish head.

Sounds like you got issues with everyone. Did it every occur to you the problem might be you? If you have that many problems with that many people?

Meanwhile: Anti-Defamation League Backs off Claim Breitbart Is ‘Premier’ Alt-Right Site —Breitbart

Looks like Breitbart and Bannon are going to come out of this just fine, despite rumor mongering.

 

[Calminian]

Because the person who made the other comment is not someone throwing out all kinds of wild accusations, and he does not seem to be blind to reality. I know him from other discussions and he is quite reasonable, even if I often disagree with him.

Okay, so you're admitting you have a bias against me. Progress.

That said, I have no idea what you're talking about. What wild accusation have I thrown? You said Breitbart are bad people because they smeared your friend. Then you refused details so we could factcheck. So I called you on gossip. That makes me unreasonable??

 

[Baptist Believer]

Okay, so you're admitting you have a bias against me. Progress.

My "bias" toward you comes entirely from your conduct on this thread. I was quite neutral toward you when this started. However, from my experience with you, I can tell that you are completely unreasonable.

What wild accusation have I thrown?

Seriously?

Here is a selection of SOME of the wild accusations you have made, restricted to this thread:
(1) You declared InTheLight to be a "liberal" and then claimed that "all liberals do" is "throw false accusations o anyone that is not liberal."
(2) You claimed InTheLight is a "false rape accuser." Note, you have also claimed to know the truth about the rape allegation, so you are also accusing the woman who claimed rape. I have no idea if her story is true and you don't either.
(3) You have accused InTheLight of "knowing" that there is nothing to the rape story AND that it is a common practice of InTheLight to spread falsehoods, even though he has clarified his position several times in case you somehow misunderstood.
(4) You have accused me of both poisoning the well and having "already made up [my] mind about Bannon..." when that is decidedly untrue.
(5) You claimed I "smeared Pollak, an orthodox [J]ew" simply because he works for Breitbart." I have no idea who "Pollak" is and I don't particularly care. And I refuse to speculate as to why you are brought up his religious identity.
(6) You claimed that I am "cowardly" because you claim I refuse to look at any alternative sources. I am open to information, but I also don't trust information from certain sources if I find that they are not credible. That's called discernment.
(9) You claimed that I have less character than Trump and have made false rape accusations, and false racism accusations. I have not made accusations like that. In fact, I have been quite willing to withhold judgement until I see real evidence. I am also quite open for someone to make a positive case for him - see here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.
(10) You made an accusation about me to others that claims my relative's experience was false. You called me a "phony" and then called me a "they." I am only one person. By the way, I did something that I have never done before. I have called down God's swift and immediate judgement on me if I am misrepresenting the story regarding my relative. I am still alive.

You said Breitbart are bad people...

False. I said I don't find them credible and in at least one case, I think they were profoundly dishonest.

...because they smeared your friend.

False. I have issues with them because they went after a family member (not simply a friend) regarding a situation on the public record that I know quite a bit about.

Then you refused details so we could factcheck.

(1) It is not your place to determine what news sources I find credible.
(2) Providing the information will only bring more pain to my relative, so it would be morally wrong to do it. Furthermore, this relative was advised by an attorney that they could have sued over what was reported, but it wouldn't make much difference even if the relative won. The fine readers of Breitbart piled on and caused additional issues. My relative simply wants to move on and be done with the folks who believe Breitbart.
(3) Why should I expect that you would do a decent job of fact checking when you make all kinds of false accusations against people in this forum, where there is a clear and objective record available for anyone to review? Evidence of that is the ten items I documented above that come just from this thread!

 

[Calminian]

...Here is a selection of SOME of the wild accusations you have made, restricted to this thread:
(1) You declared InTheLight to be a "liberal" and then claimed that "all liberals do" is "throw false accusations o anyone that is not liberal."

yes, you are a liberal. many Christians are today. it's an epidemic. and let's be honest, you spent months here trying to get Hillary Clinton elected. that's not going to go away.

You defended the Clintons at every turn, even the rape allegations against Bill, which is why you were floating debunked Trump rape allegations.

(2) You claimed InTheLight is a "false rape accuser." Note, you have also claimed to know the truth about the rape allegation, so you are also accusing the woman who claimed rape. I have no idea if her story is true and you don't either.

Yes, you were floating the Trump rape lawsuit—one that even the mainstream media would not touch. I posted your comments.

And you have not apologized for that, even after it's been debunked.

(4) You have accused me of both poisoning the well and having "already made up [my] mind about Bannon..." when that is decidedly untrue.

Yes you were and are trying to poison the well about Breitbart which is Steve Bannon. Bannon is Breitbart. That's his baby, you are floating some vague false rumor about them and by extension him.

(5) You claimed I "smeared Pollak, an orthodox [J]ew" simply because he works for Breitbart." I have no idea who "Pollak" is and I don't particularly care. And I refuse to speculate as to why you are brought up his religious identity.

Yes you did smear Pollak. He is with Breitbart, whom you smeared. You said you won't trust anything coming from them, therefore from him. What is so hard about this for you?

(6) You claimed that I am "cowardly" because you claim I refuse to look at any alternative sources. I am open to information, but I also don't trust information from certain sources if I find that they are not credible. That's called discernment.

Okay, fine. So don't deny you're smearing Bannon and Pollak who are prominent at Breitbart.

(9) You claimed that I have less character than Trump......

True. At least Trump speaks clearly and stands by his convictions.

(10) You made an accusation about me to others that claims my relative's experience was false.....

Yes, this is how I treat gossip. If one claims to have the goods on someone, but doesn't have the guts to explain it, he's likely lying or at minimum not credible.

That's all I have time to go through, but I stand by my statements 100%.

 

[Baptist Believer]

yes, you are a liberal.

False, although that's a matter of opinion. If you are an extremist, everyone seems to be at another extreme.

...and let's be honest, you spent months here trying to get Hillary Clinton elected. that's not going to go away.

Let's really be honest. I tried to prevent Donald Trump from being elected. Ms. Clinton was the best candidate to prevent that.

You defended the Clintons at every turn, even the rape allegations against Bill, which is why you were floating debunked Trump rape allegations.

You have confused me with someone else or you are just boldly lying about all of those accusations.

Yes, you were floating the Trump rape lawsuit—one that even the mainstream media would not touch. I posted your comments.

No I did not. If you "posted my comments", please provide a link to them. You will not find anything like that because I have never taken the rape charge seriously.

And you have not apologized for that, even after it's been debunked.

Because I have nothing to apologize for. You are making stuff up.

Yes you were and are trying to poison the well about Breitbart which is Steve Bannon. Bannon is Breitbart. That's his baby, you are floating some vague false rumor about them and by extension him.

You seem to think I'm an expert on Breitbart. I don't spend any time there and I was unsure of Bannon's relationship to Breitbart - that's why I originally asked the question MUCH earlier in this thread.

Yes you did smear Pollak. He is with Breitbart, whom you smeared. You said you won't trust anything coming from them, therefore from him.

I don't even know who this Pollak guy is. I have no idea if this Pollak character is responsible for every story or not. I do not know the structure of Breitbart, NOR should I be required to know that in order to judge whether or not a story about a person who is a member of my family related to items on the public record is valid.

What is so hard about this for you?

Because you are posting false and irrational accusations.

That's all I have time to go through, but I stand by my statements 100%.

If your statements are true, then you will provide evidence that I have "floated the Trump rape lawsuit" and evidence that you "posted [my] comments."

Otherwise, don't even talk to me about credibility.

 

[Calminian]

False, although that's a matter of opinion. If you are an extremist, everyone seems to be at another extreme.


Let's really be honest. I tried to prevent Donald Trump from being elected. Ms. Clinton was the best candidate to prevent that.


You have confused me with someone else or you are just boldly lying about all of those accusations.


No I did not. If you "posted my comments", please provide a link to them. You will not find anything like that because I have never taken the rape charge seriously.


Because I have nothing to apologize for. You are making stuff up.


You seem to think I'm an expert on Breitbart. I don't spend any time there and I was unsure of Bannon's relationship to Breitbart - that's why I originally asked the question MUCH earlier in this thread.


I don't even know who this Pollak guy is. I have no idea if this Pollak character is responsible for every story or not. I do not know the structure of Breitbart, NOR should I be required to know that in order to judge whether or not a story about a person who is a member of my family related to items on the public record is valid.


Because you are posting false and irrational accusations.


If your statements are true, then you will provide evidence that I have "floated the Trump rape lawsuit" and evidence that you "posted [my] comments."

Otherwise, don't even talk to me about credibility.

This post exonerates me. If you preferred Clinton over Trump, yes you are indeed a liberal.

And I did provide quotes and links to your Trump rape claims. Go back and look at the thread I started on the topic. You've been busted on that..

And you told me you would not accept any information from Breitbart, thus smearing everyone there.

I'm am exonerated of all your accusations. And you still need to apologize for floating the phony Trump rape stories.

 

[InTheLight]

This post exonerates me. If you preferred Clinton over Trump, yes you are indeed a liberal.

And I did provide quotes and links to your Trump rape claims. Go back and look at the thread I started on the topic. You've been busted on that..

Regarding your allegations concerning the Trump rape claims, you're confusing Baptist Believer with me. And you never "busted" me on the Trump rape claims. I never made any claim except "did you know there is a rape lawsuit against Trump?"

You can't even keep your lies sorted out in your head. I guess that's the nature of lying, though.

I'm am exonerated of all your accusations. And you still need to apologize for floating the phony Trump rape stories.

Very Trump-like behavior here. Falsely accuse someone of something. Provide no proof. Declare yourself the victor. Then call on someone to make amends to you.

 

[Calminian]

Regarding your allegations concerning the Trump rape claims, you're confusing Baptist Believer with me. And you never "busted" me on the Trump rape claims. I never made any claim except "did you know there is a rape lawsuit against Trump?".....

Oh, shoot. You're right, I am. I do get you guys mixed up.

My apologies, Baptist Believer. You didn't go the Trump rape route, like ITL, floating the Trump rape lawsuit.

On the Breitbart smearing, you're still guilty. That's a matter of record.

I will work harder to make sure I keep you guys distinct. My bad, though, you are correct. I did have you guys mixed up on this one issue.

 

[Baptist Believer]

This post exonerates me. If you preferred Clinton over Trump, yes you are indeed a liberal.

I'm as "liberal" as many mainstream Republicans...

And I did provide quotes and links to your Trump rape claims. Go back and look at the thread I started on the topic.

I had to do a search to find the thread. I did not participate in the thread and was not named in the thread. You are completely wrong.

You've been busted on that..

Actually, you have.

And you told me you would not accept any information from Breitbart, thus smearing everyone there.

That's a strange broad brush you have. I don't make blanket accusations like you do condemning all the persons in the organization simply because I don't think they are a credible outlet for news.

I'm am exonerated of all your accusations. And you still need to apologize for floating the phony Trump rape stories.

Who has exonerated you? Why are you "smearing" me?

 

[Calminian]

...I had to do a search to find the thread. I did not participate in the thread and was not named in the thread. You are completely wrong.....

You're right you are right you are right. I was mixing you up with ITL. My apologies. I should have been more careful on that. No excuse's. You absolutely did not participate in the Trump rape story.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Oh, shoot. You're right, I am. I do get you guys mixed up.

My apologies, Baptist Believer. You didn't go the Trump rape route, like ITL, floating the Trump rape lawsuit.

I appreciate the apology for that specific false charge. You need to also think about the other false charges you are perpetuating, like this one:

On the Breitbart smearing, you're still guilty. That's a matter of record.

No. you are the one who is trying to turn my dislike of Brietbart as a trusted news source into a "smear." I have not wanted to discuss it, but you won't leave it alone.

I will work harder to make sure I keep you guys distinct. My bad, though, you are correct. I did have you guys mixed up on this one issue.

My name has not changed since I signed up here way back in 2002 or 2003. If you have doubts, take a deep breath and verify before you post false allegations. I spent an hour thing morning documenting your accusations and you have essentially brushed them off. You need to deal with them.

There is coming a day when we will be accountable for every word.

Matthew 12:36-37
"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

 

[Calminian]

I appreciate the apology for that specific false charge. You need to also think about the other false charges you are perpetuating...

Yeah, you're right on this one. I lumped you into the ITL, Zaac, EW&F group. ITL has backed away from the rape allegation, and Zaac and EW&F have doubled down.

But you did not participate. I really am sorry. Things get heated and confusing here, but that's a major screw up on my part. I will forever apologize for that. I would have been ticked if someone did it to me, even on accident.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I really am sorry. Things get heated and confusing here, but that's a major screw up on my part. I will forever apologize for that. I would have been ticked if someone did it to me, even on accident.

You can stop apologizing. I have accepted your apology and that matter is over.

 

[Calminian]

You can stop apologizing. I have accepted your apology and that matter is over.

I appreciate that. Sincerely.

 

[InTheLight]

You didn't go the Trump rape route, like ITL, floating the Trump rape lawsuit.

ITL has backed away from the rape allegation, and Zaac and EW&F have doubled down.

I never floated a Trump rape lawsuit, nor did I cozy up to or back away from one. I merely stated, "there is a rape lawsuit against Trump" in response to a post raking Bill Clinton as being a rapist and a sexual assaulter. I merely stated a fact and gave no opinion on it either way.

 

[Calminian]

I never floated a Trump rape lawsuit, nor did I cozy up to or back away from one. I merely stated, "there is a rape lawsuit against Trump" in response to a post raking Bill Clinton as being a rapist and a sexual assaulter. I merely stated a fact and gave no opinion on it either way.

Exactly. In trying to defend Bill you cited a phony Trump rape story.

 

[InTheLight]

Exactly. In trying to defend Bill you cited a phony Trump rape story.

Yes, there was a rape lawsuit filed against Trump.

Or

No, there was never a rape lawsuit filed against Trump.

Please post your answer.

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[InTheLight]

I never attempted to defend Bill. I said, "did you know there was a rape lawsuit filed against Trump?"

So, what say you?

Yes, there was a rape lawsuit filed against Trump.

Or

No, there was never a rape lawsuit filed against Trump.

Please post your answer.

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