The Millennium: What's the Point?

[kyredneck]

Is there something wrong about celebrating a feast day?

There is something diabolical in reestablishing the law.

Please defend this biblically

Unless you think He who stepped down from Ivory Palaces merely lost His anger at a tree there is something very wrong with it:

19 And seeing a fig tree by the way side, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only; and he saith unto it, Let there be no fruit from thee henceforward for ever. And immediately the fig tree withered away. Mt 21

A few hours later:

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Mt 23

At the violent demise of that generation:

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye saints, and ye apostles, and ye prophets; for God hath judged your judgment on her.
21 And a strong angel took up a stone as it were a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 and the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the princes of the earth; for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth Rev 18.

 

[percho]

Specifically. ..

Zechariah 14:16-19 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Your thoughts as to why the feast of tabernacles is stated here instead of say, feast of firstfruit or of trumpets?

Why did Jesus preach what he did in this day? John 7:37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast,

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev. 22:17

Why the feast of Tabernacles, why the last day, the great?

 

[JonShaff]

Unless you think He who stepped down from Ivory Palaces merely lost His anger at a tree there is something very wrong with it:

19 And seeing a fig tree by the way side, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only; and he saith unto it, Let there be no fruit from thee henceforward for ever. And immediately the fig tree withered away. Mt 21

A few hours later:

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Mt 23

At the violent demise of that generation:

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye saints, and ye apostles, and ye prophets; for God hath judged your judgment on her.
21 And a strong angel took up a stone as it were a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 and the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the princes of the earth; for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth Rev 18.

Wow...you think the Harlot is the Law???

 

[kyredneck]

Wow...you think the Harlot is the Law???

She is the unfaithful wife of Jehovah, apostate Judaism, the BONDwoman of Galatians 4:25, guilty of all the righteous blood shed on the earth, and that includes the blood of The Lamb.

 

[Aaron]

Please defend this biblically

Child's play.

[Gal 2:18 KJV] 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

Scripture please

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. - Heb 7:11-16 KJV

 

[Aaron]

Wow...you think the Harlot is the Law???

No, he's saying Israel after the law is.

 

[Aaron]

The law was temporary, and was "added." The temple, the priesthood and the offerings have all their basis in the law. All the feasts, rites, hierarchies, offices and functions were types and shadows only. God never had pleasure in them, and now that the realization, Christ, has come, and has been revealed to the world, they're done. To reestablish them is to testify that Christ has not come.

There is one feast, though, that will be observed, but it's not found anywhere in the law. It is the marriage supper of the Lamb.

 

[Aaron]

So, if the Millennium is not about the temple, the priesthood and the offerings, what's the point?

 

[Yeshua1]

She is the unfaithful wife of Jehovah, apostate Judaism, the BONDwoman of Galatians 4:25, guilty of all the righteous blood shed on the earth, and that includes the blood of The Lamb.

Actually, could make a MUCH better case for the Church of Rome for tha!
AndPal stated that Godwas not ye done with Israel, correct? For e will save all of Insrael in h end, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

So, if the Millennium is not about the temple, the priesthood and the offerings, what's the point?

Its about Jesus finally be able to rule and reign without any self impoed limitations on the Eath!

 

[JonShaff]

Christ the Lord reigning on earth (with His feet on the ground) IS fulfilling many of the shadows. The 1000 years will be populated with believers and unbelievers with the Rule of Christ as the Only Government. Still, people will rebel and there will be a final battle. And everyone who has died in rebellion will be resurrected and thrown into the lake of fire.

When does the bellow passage happen(first and second resurrection)?

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[Yeshua1]

Christ the Lord reigning on earth (with His feet on the ground) IS fulfilling many of the shadows. The 1000 years will be populated with believers and unbelievers with the Rule of Christ as the Only Government. Still, people will rebel and there will be a final battle. And everyone who has died in rebellion will be resurrected and thrown into the lake of fire.

When does the bellow passage happen(first and second resurrection)?

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Think Amils would see first resurrection as spiritual one when born again, while I would see that as glorifcation at Second Coming!

 

[Aaron]

Christ the Lord reigning on earth (with His feet on the ground) IS fulfilling many of the shadows. The 1000 years will be populated with believers and unbelievers with the Rule of Christ as the Only Government. Still, people will rebel and there will be a final battle. And everyone who has died in rebellion will be resurrected and thrown into the lake of fire.

When does the bellow passage happen(first and second resurrection)?

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of those who were dead in sin and trespass to walk in new life.

If you want to understand the amillennial point of view of Revelation, one of the best treatments I've seen is in a book called "More than Conquerors" by William Hendriksen.

The linch pin of premillennialism is the law. If you want 1000 years of sandals on the ground, that's fine. Really, as long as you understand that the law has been fulfilled. None of the ceremonies will be in operation. None. It's over. No circumcision, no tribes, no priesthood, no altar, no offerings. Nothing.

All of those things pointed to Christ and His work on the Cross. All of it. And it's finished.

 

[JonShaff]

The first resurrection is the resurrection of those who were dead in sin and trespass to walk in new life.

If you want to understand the amillennial point of view of Revelation, one of the best treatments I've seen is in a book called "More than Conquerors" by William Hendriksen.

The linch pin of premillennialism is the law. If you want 1000 years of sandals on the ground, that's fine. Really, as long as you understand that the law has been fulfilled. None of the ceremonies will be in operation. None. It's over. No circumcision, no tribes, no priesthood, no altar, no offerings. Nothing.

All of those things pointed to Christ and His work on the Cross. All of it. And it's finished.

Hmmm...right, righteousness is fulfilled...

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

And all promises will be fulfilled as well...Christ reigning on the Earth physically.

 

[JonShaff]

So there is no resurrection of the Just with a Glorified Body?

 

[TCassidy]

The linch pin of premillennialism is the law. If you want 1000 years of sandals on the ground, that's fine. Really, as long as you understand that the law has been fulfilled. None of the ceremonies will be in operation. None. It's over. No circumcision, no tribes, no priesthood, no altar, no offerings. Nothing.

The lynch pin of present day Christianity is the ordinances of baptism and the Lord's supper. If you want to practice them, that's fine. Really, as long as you understand that the sacrifice on the cross has already been fulfilled. None of the ceremonies are still in operation. None. It's over. No baptism, no Lord's supper. Nothing.

Oh! Wait! Ever hear of a memorial? Something that points back to that which is desirable to be remembered?

 

[Aaron]

The lynch pin of present day Christianity is the ordinances of baptism and the Lord's supper. If you want to practice them, that's fine. Really, as long as you understand that the sacrifice on the cross has already been fulfilled. None of the ceremonies are still in operation. None. It's over. No baptism, no Lord's supper. Nothing.

Oh! Wait! Ever hear of a memorial? Something that points back to that which is desirable to be remembered?

Well, if there will be pastors and deacons in the millennium, then I guess there will be those ordinances. Oh wait! There ARE pastors and deacons in the millennium, because it's here.

But in the ceremonies of the law, there is a remembrance of sin continually. Besides there is no lawful priesthood. Christ's priesthood is of an entirely different order and nature. The law requires a son of Levi, but Christ is a son of Judah. If Christ is the High Priest, the law is out. There's no getting around that.

 

[percho]

Christ the Lord reigning on earth (with His feet on the ground) IS fulfilling many of the shadows. The 1000 years will be populated with believers and unbelievers with the Rule of Christ as the Only Government. Still, people will rebel and there will be a final battle. And everyone who has died in rebellion will be resurrected and thrown into the lake of fire.

When does the bellow passage happen(first and second resurrection)?

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

My thoughts.

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; (Currently the one and only)

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Rev 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, --10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. --13-15 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Also I guess we also have to keep in mind that somewhere in all this: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of thingsin heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ isLord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:10,11

 

[JonShaff]

I don't quite see the millennial reign as a reestablishing of the Law? The Law has been fulfilled. But the realities and principles of the Law of CHRIST will be a world wide Theocracy. The sermon on the Mount will be in full force. Don't get me wrong, every aspect of the sermon on the mount is for Christendom now, but are these teachings permeating of the world right now? Come on, it's evidently not. This may be a stretch, but Leaders will be Christians who were faithful during their earthly ministries. Governors, presidents, etc. will be established by Christ and they will be His chosen staff of leaders.

These are the ideas i see through reading the prophets, Gospels, and Revelation.

Edit:

And i agree with TC, anything done resembling ceremonial aspects of the Law will be done as a memorial. I mean, come on, i sacrifice to God daily with burnt offerings giving thanks unto the Lord. Don't you? I call it dinner.

 

[TCassidy]

There's no getting around that.

Except for that pesky fact that we are all priests.