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Deadly free-will choices from the Garden until right now

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MennoSota

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AndThisGospel said:
keep repeating that lie until you convince all who are reading here
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You have never shown us where the Bible uses the term "accept Jesus." We are all waiting.

I presented passage after passage for you where God tells us that He chooses and predestines, but you ignore them or excuse them with the notion that I didn't use the correct English translation.

No, your false statements have been refuted over and over, yet you persist like the legalists in Galatians.
 
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MennoSota said:
I find Hebrews to be an excellent book regarding election. When you take the time to study it you realize that the author is never presenting a loss of salvation teaching and never presents a human choice of salvation.
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IMO, as well as many others, believe the author was Paul.

You're not one of those who fall back to perdition, are you?
Paul's buddies (and you) will not fall back, right ... but some udders are!
What do you think falling back to perdition means?

FYI, perdition refers to Hell.
 
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MennoSota

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Samuels said:
IMO, as well as many others, believe the author was Paul.

You're not one of those who fall back to perdition, are you?
Paul's buddies (and you) will not fall back, right ... but some udders are!
What do you think falling back to perdition means?

FYI, perdition refers to Hell.
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I am not a free-will Nazarene who thinks they can lose their salvation. The Bible teaches us that God will not lose even one of his children.
 
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Samuels said:
Care to see the verse again that says: all liars will be thrown into the Lake of Fire?

But, of course, born-again believers cannot be part of dis group, right? lol
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hose whose very lifestyle is doing that woul not include eal christins!
 
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MennoSota said:
I am not a free-will Nazarene who thinks they can lose their salvation. The Bible teaches us that God will not lose even one of his children.
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Jesus stated that he will lose NONE that come to Him, so have to trust that He knows!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Did Jesus die for individuals, or for a coprorate humanity, with some he died for still hell bound ad bent?
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We all come from one man, Adam. He is our corporate head. When he sinned we were made sinners. Christ assumed our humanity which we all share with Adam and redeemed it. Hence Christ is "the last Adam".

Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression (Adam's) there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness (Christ's - as the "last Adam") there resulted justification of life to all men.
 
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The Truth of the Two Adams
  1. Adam’s sin deprived humanity of life and brought all mankind under the sentence of eternal death, i.e., the second death. The first or sleep death became a necessity because of the plan of redemption, while the second death is the wages of sin [Romans 6:23].



  2. Christ’s obedience (doing and dying) did two things for all mankind:
    1. It saved all humanity from the condemnation of the second or eternal death; and
    2. It brought the verdict of justification to eternal life upon all men [2 Tim. 1:8-10].
    Note: Since Christians die the first death, the gospel obviously only redeems men and women from the second death [Rev. 20:6]. On the cross Christ “tasted” and “abolished” only the second death, “the curse of the law” [Heb. 2:9; 2 Tim. 1:10; Gal. 3:13].


  3. Salvation from the second death and the verdict of justification to eternal life is God’s supreme gift to all mankind in Christ [John 3:16; 1 John 5:11]. This constitutes the unconditional good news of the gospel. But like any gift, it has to be received to be enjoyed [Romans 5:17]. Those who willfully, persistently, and ultimately reject God’s gift of salvation in Christ (the gospel), are deliberately choosing the second death instead of eternal life [Deut. 30:19]. Therefore, in the judgment, they can only blame themselves when they face the second death. Hence, unbelief (willfully rejecting the truth as it is in Christ) is the unpardonable sin [Hebrews 2:1-3; 10:26-29].


  4. Every baby is born subjectively in Adam (although objectively in Christ) and, therefore, under the reign of sin, condemnation, and death [Romans 3:9-20]. To continue to live under this reign is to end up with eternal death. Christ ushered in the reign of grace, righteousness, and eternal life. To receive this gift of grace by faith means we are now baptized subjectively into Christ and have passed from death to life [1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 5:27; John 5:24]. If we continue to live by faith under this reign of grace, it will end up with eternal life.


  5. Adam and Christ represent two opposite camps, sin and righteousness or death and life respectively. Therefore, you cannot choose to remain in Adam (to enjoy sin) and at the same time accept by faith your position in Christ (to enjoy eternal life). To obey the gospel is to receive Christ, the author of righteousness and life. This involves saying good-bye to Adam, the author of sin and death [Romans 6:16-22]. Your eternal destiny depends on which humanity you have chosen to belong. I pray you will make the right choice.
 
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AndThisGospel said:
The Truth of the Two Adams
  1. Adam’s sin deprived humanity of life and brought all mankind under the sentence of eternal death, i.e., the second death. The first or sleep death became a necessity because of the plan of redemption, while the second death is the wages of sin [Romans 6:23].



  2. Christ’s obedience (doing and dying) did two things for all mankind:
    1. It saved all humanity from the condemnation of the second or eternal death; and
    2. It brought the verdict of justification to eternal life upon all men [2 Tim. 1:8-10].
    Note: Since Christians die the first death, the gospel obviously only redeems men and women from the second death [Rev. 20:6]. On the cross Christ “tasted” and “abolished” only the second death, “the curse of the law” [Heb. 2:9; 2 Tim. 1:10; Gal. 3:13].


  3. Salvation from the second death and the verdict of justification to eternal life is God’s supreme gift to all mankind in Christ [John 3:16; 1 John 5:11]. This constitutes the unconditional good news of the gospel. But like any gift, it has to be received to be enjoyed [Romans 5:17]. Those who willfully, persistently, and ultimately reject God’s gift of salvation in Christ (the gospel), are deliberately choosing the second death instead of eternal life [Deut. 30:19]. Therefore, in the judgment, they can only blame themselves when they face the second death. Hence, unbelief (willfully rejecting the truth as it is in Christ) is the unpardonable sin [Hebrews 2:1-3; 10:26-29].


  4. Every baby is born subjectively in Adam (although objectively in Christ) and, therefore, under the reign of sin, condemnation, and death [Romans 3:9-20]. To continue to live under this reign is to end up with eternal death. Christ ushered in the reign of grace, righteousness, and eternal life. To receive this gift of grace by faith means we are now baptized subjectively into Christ and have passed from death to life [1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 5:27; John 5:24]. If we continue to live by faith under this reign of grace, it will end up with eternal life.


  5. Adam and Christ represent two opposite camps, sin and righteousness or death and life respectively. Therefore, you cannot choose to remain in Adam (to enjoy sin) and at the same time accept by faith your position in Christ (to enjoy eternal life). To obey the gospel is to receive Christ, the author of righteousness and life. This involves saying good-bye to Adam, the author of sin and death [Romans 6:16-22]. Your eternal destiny depends on which humanity you have chosen to belong. I pray you will make the right choice.
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You really are teaching Karl barth, and not the teachings of the Bible! Jesus death JUSTatoned forthe elect/savedin Christ, and those not included will fae the second date and Hell! There is no corporateelection in Christ, as he died in the stead/place of those elected to eternal life now in Christ!
 
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AndThisGospel said:
We all come from one man, Adam. He is our corporate head. When he sinned we were made sinners. Christ assumed our humanity which we all share with Adam and redeemed it. Hence Christ is "the last Adam".

Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression (Adam's) there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness (Christ's - as the "last Adam") there resulted justification of life to all men.
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That ONLY applies towards the saved in Jesus, not all humanity!
 
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AndThisGospel said:
Never heard of the guy....
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You re doing a nice job of channeling his theology here though!
He held to basically only elcted person as Jesus Himself, and God elected thru Him all of humanity to salvation, but he hoped for universalism, but would not quit commit to it!
 
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AndThisGospel said:
Hmmm, I can go with your view, which contradicts Rom 5:18, or I can go with Paul. I think I'll go with Paul....Thanks anyway
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Th bble does not teach eiter Univerasalis, nor Jesus death as paying for all fallen corporate humanity! Paul ONLY describes that in termsof th saved/chosen and elct in Christ by will of the Father!
 
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Th bble does not teach eiter Univerasalis, nor Jesus death as paying for all fallen corporate humanity! Paul ONLY describes that in termsof th saved/chosen and elct in Christ by will of the Father!
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Please try to spell and write a bit clearer. I'm having difficulty following your post.
 
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AndThisGospel said:
Please try to spell and write a bit clearer. I'm having difficulty following your post.
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AndThisGospel said:
Please try to spell and write a bit clearer. I'm having difficulty following your post.
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The bible does not teach either Universalism, nor Jesus death as paying for all fallen corporate humanity! Paul ONLY describes that in terms of the saved/chosen and elect in Christ by will of the Father.... Understand now?
 
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