Thre are NO passages that woul add good works/water baptism/loving oters as bein in addition to faithin the person/work of Christ to save us!
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The Bible alone is the infallible rule fo all doctrines/practices, not the bible and church trdition!
Thetrue church of Christ was founded by Jesus, built upon Him alone, and it was NOT the Church of Rome, s tat church has a falsegopel, no papacy in bible, no apostolicsiccession, no worship mry, vereatin saints, no purgetory, on and on it goes!
Do you even know anything at all about the Universal Christian Church and how it actually evolved after the time of the Apostles? How about the men whom we know as the Early Church Fathers of this same Universal Christian Church, what they believed and how they worshipped in the early centuries, do you know anything at all about them?
Well, they certainly were not Baptists, unless the Baptists of back then believed in all seven sacraments, the authority of the Bishop based in Rome, the Communion of saints, and most of all the belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Study up on them brother, you just might learn something.
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You are right--Universal Church evolved, actually, apostasized after the Apostles. Also correct: they were not Baptists. God preserved a people in every age even through today. Yes, this is about authority and who got the keys. If Rome got the keys all others are usurpers. She has give no authority to any other church. Without the God given authority, Rome is a usurper, along with those who would reform her. Rome's departed brethren in Istanbul do not recognize the papacy either. Now what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
It can't apostate unless it was legit in the first place.
LOL, who can stand up to the catholic shotgun of questions?
Where did your canon of scripture come from?
When was it declared?
Who declared it?
Who has the authority to declare it?
BOOM!
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God breathed it to holy men of God over many years, declared by God to those chosen who were given the authority.
The boom is really a thud from one of the greatest religious deceptions ever.
Now what? God does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Of course the holy spirit had a say in what scripture is. And scripture certainly is God breathed.
You didn't answer any question. I asked you who declared it..... well its the guys who declared it.
No kidding.
Scripture says your wrong also......right where it says your wrong.
Where did your canon of scripture come from?
When was it declared?
Who declared it?
Who has the authority to declare it?
The early church was Baptist like in its teachings and opractices, and they did not hld to ANY ofthe errors of Rome during time of Apostles, just went into heresy afterwards!
The canon ofscripture was already done for OT at time of Christ, as was JUST the OT books we non catholics hold to , and th NT caon was already established and in use at end of fist century, early second entury, and so Romejust confiemed what God hd already confirmed early one! God authored and confirmed the Protestant canon, not Rome!
We say the gospel is THE GOSPELS, Matthew Mark Luke and John.
You guys don't know what the gospel is after reading the gospels.
You require manmade "doctrines of grace" to identify a twisted version of romans as the gospel rather then the gospel themselves.
I don't know of anyone who ever read Matthew Mark, Luke and John and did not get the gist of it other then reformers who's light turns on in romans AFTER being indoctrinated with doctrines of grace.
I could however believe in God's sovereignty even over a mans will, because it would require some divine intervention of some kind for someone to read a bible passage Like :
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
And then conclude the meaning to be the EXACT OPPOSITE. That's divinely stupid and proof there is a God and he has a sense of humor.
You see that a man is justified by FAITH ALONE and not by works.
Th Holy Spirit gave the Reformation, as He allowed Calvin and others to rediscover the real Gospel Rome hd buried for long time!
Jewish canon was open.
The bible Jesus Christ used is the Septuagint. This can be easily proven because when someone in the NEW TESTAMENT quotes something from the OLD TESTAMENT they quote the Septuagint.
The old testament in a majority of KING JAMES bibles have a Jewish canon that was closed in 90 ad by Jews in RESPONSE to growth of Christianity.
Who's old testament is greater? The one Jesus QUOTES or the one the Jews who denied Jesus made up?
Im still waiting for answers:
Where did your canon of scripture come from?
When was it declared?
Who declared it?
Who has the authority to declare it?
Caution: don't study history or look for these answers else your in danger of not being protestant.
The jews and Jesus ONLY accepted the as Canon the OT the books of the Protestant canon!
NO aprochpa/deutocanical books were ver aded/approved by thm
Calvin and Luther is bit too early, because both admit The Catholic Church is the church.
Even in the word Protestant and Reformation implies your trying to fix something that was there before.
That's why you got new denominations popping up trying to get rid of the protestant/reformer name tag and just say Catholics are not Christians.
Now see I don't believe Calvin was divinely inspired by the holy spirit. He murdered opposition. You don't even agree with his doctrine even though you claim he is lead by holy spirit.
Calvin believes in infant baptism for example. Because election is passed on heredity.
They hated Jews.
Martin Luther 's book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
I guess that what made it easier to pick up Hitler for a god.
Neither of them would after the reormation see Rome as true church!
Yes, and those holy men were Catholics (Universalists) every last one of them in belief (the 7 sacraments) and practice (our liturgical form of worship) - right down to the "kiss of peace" we still exchange at Mass today.
There was but one Christian Church that just about every Christian listened to, right up to the great schism between East and West and that is a fact that cannot be denied. The Baptist sect and it's belief's did not come about until sometime in the 17th century. (According the Baptist History and Heritage Society)
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Yeah right - and was it also the Holy Spirit which told Luther to dismiss the Book of James, the Book of Hebrews, the Book of Jude and the Book of Revelation? I don't think so.
And how about Calvin and the false doctrine of "pre-destination" - which completely goes against the idea that God gave us a "free will" to decide for ourselves what spiritual path we should take. These men have some serious problems with their doctrinal thinking.
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Of course it was, EVEN QUOTED.
The Jews never had officially canon till AFTER Jesus died in 90ad.
In the new testament they flat out quote the Septuagint.
The Sadducees had different canon then Jesus the only believed in the first 5 books of the old testament.
So to mock Jesus, they quote the book TOBIT by presenting the same plot, which YOU and the Sadducees deny as scripture.
In Tobit Sarah is married 7 times all husbands killed till finally ending with Tobias.
Matthew 22
23On that day some Sadducees (who say there is no resurrection) came to Jesus and questioned Him, 24asking, “Teacher, Moses said, ‘IF A MAN DIES HAVING NO CHILDREN, HIS BROTHER AS NEXT OF KIN SHALL MARRY HIS WIFE, AND RAISE UP CHILDREN FOR HIS BROTHER.’ 25“Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother; 26so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. 27“Last of all, the woman died. 28“In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her.”
29But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31“But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
^The book of TOBIT is holy scripture. Jesus knows it and the Sadducees are mocking him for believing it.
The verses in Tobit might even sound familiar like:
Tobit 4
15 Do to no one what you would not want done to you
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