Jesus only “knows” believers who are obedient

[Samuels]

Does God give the Spirit to those whom He does not know and never has known?

Yes, of course, but then a reasonable service (Romans 12:1) is required.
What happens when a believer walks away from the faith?

What happens when a believer draws back from the faith?
He does so unto perdition (end of Hebrews 10, I believe).
Paul says some do, but not his buddies!
So, Paul know the future of his buddies! many lols

FYI, there are multitudes of edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc. in the epistles.
But, don't confuse these with the facts.

BTW, what's your answer to my sig? ... It's a Yes or a No.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, of course, but then a reasonable service (Romans 12:1) is required.
What happens when a believer walks away from the faith?

What happens when a believer draws back from the faith?
He does so unto perdition (end of Hebrews 10, I believe).
Paul says some do, but not his buddies!
So, Paul know the future of his buddies! many lols

FYI, there are multitudes of edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc. in the epistles.
But, don't confuse these with the facts.

BTW, what's your answer to my sig? ... It's a Yes or a No.

Jesus died for ALL of my sins, and His blood cover even times of unbelief, or not trustin in God as I should, so what sin getsme lost again?

 

[MennoSota]

This is all wonderful, of course!
Problem is ... there are a dozen or more obvious epistle verses which say:
Believers sitting in churches can lose their eternal life!
And then there are many more addressed to everyone in Jesus' Gospels.

A dozen or more? Okay, I'll bite. Show us the donuts.

 

[MennoSota]

Sure, of course I do.

Believers who are involved in habitual (unrepented-of) sin are NOT living in Jesus.

Do you believe this?

They also are NOT practicing righteousness
which proves they are NOT righteous (in God's eyes).
Oh, they may be righteous in your eyes ... but, who cares!
etc. etc. etc.

They are likely not believers at all. Satan is just a cheap imitator. Blind men describing colors based upon what the hear from people with sight does not make their eyes see. It just means they can talk like they see while still being blind. You can act like you have sight all through your life, but the creator knows who has been given sight and who has always been blind.
God gives sight and he doesn't remove the sight along the way.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Sure, of course I do.

Believers who are involved in habitual (unrepented-of) sin are NOT living in Jesus.

Do you believe this?

They also are NOT practicing righteousness
which proves they are NOT righteous (in God's eyes).
Oh, they may be righteous in your eyes ... but, who cares!
etc. etc. etc.

No I do not believe that. Why? Because those who are living in habitual sin cannot be believers. Oh, they may have gone forward at some outreach or other, or signed a card, or recited a sinner's prayer, but they have not seen themselves as guilty sinners under the righteous condemnation of God, turned away from their sin and trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. That is, they believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the One spoken of in the O.T., their Prophet, Priest and King, the LORD their righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6) and the One to whom they give their obedience. Nothing less corresponds to Biblical saving faith.

Such a faith is supernatural; it comes only from a new birth. 'No one can say [and mean] Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:3). Such a person will be kept by God. 'We know that whoever is born of God does not [habitually] sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him' (1 John 5:18).

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Yes, of course,

Really??

but then a reasonable service (Romans 12:1) is required.
What happens when a believer walks away from the faith?

What happens when a believer draws back from the faith?
He does so unto perdition (end of Hebrews 10, I believe).

He does indeed! But, 'They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that it might be made manifest that none of them were of us' (1 John 2:19). If a 'believer' walks away or draws back from the faith, he proves himself not to be a true believer.

FYI, there are multitudes of edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc. in the epistles.
But, don't confuse these with the facts.

They are facts. It's just that you are interpreting them wrongly. God's elect will persevere, but it is also necessary that they do persevere. If they don't, they're not God's elect QED.

BTW, what's your answer to my sig? ... It's a Yes or a No.
Romans 6:16

It's in the Bible, so it's a yes. Wonderful text, so long as you read it in conjunction with the following verse.

 

[Samuels]

They are likely not believers at all.

You don't believe that ...
true believers can be deceived into thinking they're going to Heaven no matter what?

 

[Samuels]

... those who are living in habitual sin cannot be believers.

Overseas, I preached to 500 about the "abominable" sin of lying (ref. Proverbs).
Their country has lying as an integral part of their culture!
So, do they lie habitually? Answer Yes or No.
Ditto with some other near-by countries.
Gee, I wonder why the Lord had me preach to them about lying?

And you insist none of them were true believers!

 

[Samuels]

It's in the Bible, so it's a yes. Romans 6:16
Wonderful text, so long as you read it in conjunction with the following verse.

You don't understand that Paul lessens the blows of his warnings by ...
"FYI, there are multitudes of edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc. in the epistles."

The Spirit is supposed to be pointing out the warnings to you,
which are somewhat hidden amongst the copious reds.

A fav of mine ...
In Hebrews 10, Paul says those guys over there are drawing back to perdition,
but NOT you guys 'cause you guys are so special, or whatever.
He's hinting/warning them without offending them.
Get the drift?

To get the drift, you must approach Scripture with an open mind and heart.
Instead of approaching it with pre-conceived biases, opinions, garbage doctrines, etc.

Satan is "the god/ruler of this world/age" (John 12:31, John 16:11, 2 Corinthians 4:4)

"Satan deceives the whole world" (Rev 12:9)
But, not you, right?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Gee, I wonder why the Lord had me preach to them about lying?

I very much doubt that the Lord would have you preach to anyone.
Since you don't interact either with what I write or the Scriptures I post, but just keep trotting out your own foolishness, there isn't much point in debating. Proverbs 27:22 applies.

 

[Deacon]

This is all wonderful, of course!
Problem is ... there are a dozen or more obvious epistle verses which say:
Believers sitting in churches can lose their eternal life!
And then there are many more addressed to everyone in Jesus' Gospels.

I must have missed that verse! ...I haven't read all of 2nd Opinions..

How does a believer go about loosing what Christ has fully paid?
How can I invalidate what God has called righteous?
How do I break what God has sealed?

"Trying hard" doesn't make me a better Christian, it makes me self-righteous.

Think about the statement: "A Christian in habitual sin loses their salvation"

There is an exact point when a person goes from "having" to "losing".

.. exactly when did the person lose it?

...what a blessing for the person who did one sin less and kept their salvation.​

NO! The entrance exam is Faith! ...pure and simple...

The Scriptures encourage those of the faith to remain steadfast, to follow after God's ways and not fall into the patterns of our past life.

Christians who sin live an unsettled life. ...they the more we sin the more unsettled we become.

... the kicker is, we all sin!
... Dare I say it, we all sin habitually (...some more dramatically than others).​

The Scriptures challenge each of us to grow up, to change, to mature, to not be content, not to rest in dis-fellowship with God.

God wants his children to commune with him, to walk in the light.
He pushes us all to experience him more fully ...but he never rejects us.​

Rob

 

[Samuels]

... there isn't much point in debating.

Thank you ... and I'm counting on it.

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you ... and I'm counting on it.

Can a christian reach a sinless perfection state?

 

[Samuels]

How can I invalidate what God has called righteous?

How can so-called believers be so deceived?
Oh, believe me, I know how.

How can I validate you being righteous?
When there are about 10 NT verses that say ...
you must practice righteousness to actually be righteous!
(In God's eyes, not yours!)

I'd better send you a NT so you can read all about it.

 

[Samuels]

Can a christian reach a sinless perfection state?

How many thousands of times must I tell you how?
I'm not going to repeat it.

 

[Yeshua1]

How many thousands of times must I tell you how?
I'm not going to repeat it.

The correct answr is NONE but Jesus!

 

[MennoSota]

You don't believe that ...
true believers can be deceived into thinking they're going to Heaven no matter what?

One means of discerning a person's reconciliation with Christ is whether they love their sins more than they love their Savior.

I've heard people say that all a person needs to do is say the sinners prayer and they are saved...as if the prayer were a magic incantation. Such teaching is false.

When the waves of God's ordained trials hit your life, do you trust God even more, or do you curse God and walk away?

The first shows that God has gripped you and saved you. The latter reveals that your foundation is found in your weak "self."

I trust God with every human. God will never lose one of his children.

 

[MennoSota]

Overseas, I preached to 500 about the "abominable" sin of lying (ref. Proverbs).
Their country has lying as an integral part of their culture!
So, do they lie habitually? Answer Yes or No.
Ditto with some other near-by countries.
Gee, I wonder why the Lord had me preach to them about lying?

And you insist none of them were true believers!

We're you on the island of Crete... [emoji57]

 

[MennoSota]

To get the drift, you must approach Scripture with an open mind and heart.
Instead of approaching it with pre-conceived biases, opinions, garbage doctrines, etc.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[MennoSota]

How can so-called believers be so deceived?
Oh, believe me, I know how.

How can I validate you being righteous?
When there are about 10 NT verses that say ...
you must practice righteousness to actually be righteous!
(In God's eyes, not yours!)

I'd better send you a NT so you can read all about it.

Only 10? Last time you said over a dozen. Are you eating the donuts again? [emoji507] [emoji507] [emoji507]