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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by utilyan, Feb 2, 2017.

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  1. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    I give scripture you can't even say amen to.
    Matthew 18
    21Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
    23“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. 24“When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25“But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made. 26“So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ 27“And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. 28“But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ 29“So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ 30“But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. 31“So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened. 32“Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34“And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35“My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”


    This is all directed at Peter.


    The slave here begs THE LORD for forgiveness, GETS FORGIVEN by the LORD, Does not forgive another.

    Lord gets upset : . 33‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’


    Calvinist response to the Lord? NO. You already forgave me! You already elected me! Its only about what you LORD can do, and nothing about what I can do.



    Who is this story directed to? Do you think there is any advice in here for ANYONE AT ALL?


    I could use a good laugh right now explain this parable.
     
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    He seems to hol that all are no saved, and only those who reject Jesus would lose that! Still think that he is channeling Barth, she alo heldthat God elected all sinners in Death of Jesus!
     
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    This passage proves Calvinism wrong. Because no matter how a Calvinist words the explanation it is ANTI-CALVINIST. Namely it starts with a slave who gets forgiven. Once saved.

    Matthew 18

    21Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
    23“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. 24“When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25“But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made. 26“So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ 27“And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. 28“But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ 29“So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ 30“But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. 31“So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened. 32“Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34“And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35“My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
     
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    Never build the main theology upon parables!
     
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    LOL, the entire passage is about sinners forgiving other sinners.

    I forgive you, utilyan, for your terrible exegesis.
     
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    Just because you think what Jesus says trash doesn't make it so.
     
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    That's funny because I haven't given any exegesis......Just the passage alone.

    You say the wicked slave is elect and saved.
     
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    I explained the passage so you can see you're wrong.
     
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    No, uts more that Parable point to ONE main point, and need to base theology proper upon the Epistles!
     
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