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You realize, of course, that Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone. This means that God speaks a lot about hell. God tells us that he separates this who go to heaven and those who go to hell. God tells us that hell was prepared for them.

Your bitterness about God telling sinners they will be thrown into hell is noteworthy. Why do you hate what God has told us about hell?

The wages of sin is death.

People get sent to hell if they are not redeemed by God. That is not heresy, no matter how much you use all caps.

 

The Bible does not say what you claim. Be honest.

You have it backwards. Grace doesn't come through faith. Grace is not a verb.
"For by grace you are saved."
First and foremost.
"Through faith, which is the gift of God."
Faith is the gift that comes from God's grace.
Why?
"So that no one can boast."
Why do you insist on reversing the order? The only reason I can see is that you demand control over God.

Good

Once again, I showed you what the text says. You twist it and reverse the order. Then you say that I am wrong.

smh

 

Context, context, context.

Show us where faith comes before grace.

Romans 4:1-25
[1]Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What did he discover about being made right with God?
[2]If his good deeds had made him acceptable to God, he would have had something to boast about. But that was not God’s way.
[3]For the Scriptures tell us, “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.”
[4]When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned.
[5]But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners.
[6]David also spoke of this when he described the happiness of those who are declared righteous without working for it:
[7]“Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight.
[8]Yes, what joy for those whose record the lord has cleared of sin.”
[9]Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was counted as righteous by God because of his faith.
[10]But how did this happen? Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised!
[11]Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous—even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith.
[12]And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised.
[13]Clearly, God’s promise to give the whole earth to Abraham and his descendants was based not on his obedience to God’s law, but on a right relationship with God that comes by faith.
[14]If God’s promise is only for those who obey the law, then faith is not necessary and the promise is pointless.
[15]For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)
[16]So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham’s. For Abraham is the father of all who believe.
[17]That is what the Scriptures mean when God told him, “I have made you the father of many nations.” This happened because Abraham believed in the God who brings the dead back to life and who creates new things out of nothing.
[18]Even when there was no reason for hope, Abraham kept hoping—believing that he would become the father of many nations. For God had said to him, “That’s how many descendants you will have!”
[19]And Abraham’s faith did not weaken, even though, at about 100 years of age, he figured his body was as good as dead—and so was Sarah’s womb.
[20]Abraham never wavered in believing God’s promise. In fact, his faith grew stronger, and in this he brought glory to God.
[21]He was fully convinced that God is able to do whatever he promises.
[22]And because of Abraham’s faith, God counted him as righteous.
[23]And when God counted him as righteous, it wasn’t just for Abraham’s benefit. It was recorded
[24]for our benefit, too, assuring us that God will also count us as righteous if we believe in him, the one who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
[25]He was handed over to die because of our sins, and he was raised to life to make us right with God.

Did you notice that faith is given as a gift? It comes after grace has been provided.

Keep digging your hole.

 

I went through your passage in Romans 4. God says faith is a gift. You can't manufacture it. God gives grace. If he didn't you'd still be dead in your sins. Once he extends his grace, he gives the gift of faith. It's right in the verses.

 

John 3:18-20
[18]“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.
[19]And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.
[20]All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed.

Romans 3:10-18,23
[10]As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.
[11]No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
[12]All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”
[13]“Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave. Their tongues are filled with lies.” “Snake venom drips from their lips.”
[14]“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
[15]“They rush to commit murder.
[16]Destruction and misery always follow them.
[17]They don’t know where to find peace.”
[18]“They have no fear of God at all.”
[23]For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.

Romans 5
[12]When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
[7]And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,
[8]in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus.
[9]They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power.

 

Your hate is noted. Enjoy living with hate if that makes you feel good.
I have provided more than enough text so that anyone reading this thread knows you are being stubborn and prejudiced.

God's word is plain. You can accept it or reject it.

 

Just admit it. You're a universalist.

If you aren't then you have to admit that the "all" is referring to all that are chosen by God.

Which is it?

Universalism or not?

I await your response.

 

If a person breaks the law, do they deserve the punishment given out by the judge?

Have all humans broken God's law?

What are the wages of sin?

How many people have sinned?

Do you see the problem with your thinking?

 

You didn't answer my question.

If a person breaks God's law do they deserve the punishment given out by God, the Judge?

All humans have broken God's law.

God judges rightly and according to his law.

We get what we deserve.

What is it that people deserve when they break God's law, utilyan?

 

God made the law. The law is perfect. We know we are sinners because of God's law.

God is in need of nothing. We exist because he chooses to have us exist. He can destroy his creation immediately and live perfectly.

Do you understand what grace is?

That’s a bizarre statement. Sin is what we do. We know it is sin because we break God's law. Thus we pay the price for our sinful life.

All have sinned. All fall short of God’s glory.

What do you imagine humans deserve for breaking God's law? Do they deserve a time out in their bedroom without their data phones? Honestly, tell us what God says sinners deserve if it is not hell. Deserve is the key word. What do sinners deserve in your mind.

Show us where God accepts wicked sinners into heaven. I have provided verse after verse that tells you how God deals with sinners. So, show us where God takes sin and welcomes it into heaven with open arms. Remember, it's God's house. He determines who enters.
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The problem here is one of false humility, a person can repent and sincerely believe they deserve hell, or like the prodigal son believe they are only good enough to be a slave not a son, But the response and the JUDGEMENT is not the sinner's call. The father doesn't answer back with YOUR RIGHT your only good for a slave or deserve hell.
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The prodigal son was already a part of the family.
When a person is not saved, not adopted into God's family, they can't "return" to the Father. They were never a part of the family.

Your analogy is nor accurate. You have misread the story of the prodigal son.

The debate is over because you can't accept that God has declared all humanity to be sinners who, except by the grace of God, are judged guilty and sent to hell.
More than enough scripture has been shared and you balk at what God has said. Your anger is at God, not me.

The verses I shared point out the truth. It does not matter if there is no verse that doesn't use the exact phrase you demand. You're just being silly.

 

What a person believes is irrelevant. What a judge decides, based upon the law, is what matters.
The law of God declares us guilty. The penalty for sin is death. That means you go to hell, unless the Judge pardons you of your sins.

Nowhere do you find a doctrine of Satan in the Bible.

You can find that God declares no one to be righteous, not even one. You can find God saying that all have sinned and fall short of God’s glory. You can find God declaring that the wages of sin is death.

Why do you ignore God's word and create a false "doctrine of Satan" narrative?

Who did Paul write his letter to? Was it to believers or to non-believers?

God does demonstrate his love to his chosen, adopted children. He does not demonstrate that love to the unredeemed. Your own verse shows your doctrine to be wrong.

What? What does "the very top of heaven" even mean?

You keep preaching universalism and denying it at the same time. You seem very confused.

Satan accuses the elect. Satan just uses any means he can to try stop God from saving the elect. It is an effort of futility on his part.

Read Hebrews 12. God only disciplines his children, not those who are illegitimate.

Hebrews 12:5-8
[5]And have you forgotten the encouraging words God spoke to you as his children? He said, “My child, don’t make light of the lord’s discipline, and don’t give up when he corrects you.
[6]For the lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”
[7]As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Who ever heard of a child who is never disciplined by its father?
[8]If God doesn’t discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.