Featured The Biblical Doctrine of Penal Substitution

We could, but I don't know that it would be on topic here. Barth did emphasize that the Word became flesh (and made man's situation his own). And he did seem apprehensive to call Jesus bearing the full consequence of our sin real punishment. But those views are common to Christian theology, and did not originate with Barth. So it is probably a topic for a different thread. I don't mind discussing Barth, but just like with N.T. Wright, I am not a student of the man. There are probably others here who are more knowledgeable than I on Barth.

 

No, not at all. You can't take one part and say "this is the most important part" or the "primary view". I suppose one could easily make a case that submissive obedience of the Son is the "primary" biblical view as well. It is how God accomplished redemption, after all. And it is the one aspect that is emphasized throughout Scripture (for example, in the passage I provided Paul does not even mention God's wrath, or sin, but he does mention the obedience of Christ).

If you spend your whole life looking at Scripture through one truth, then you never see anything else. Your understanding of the Atonement will never be anything beyond a legal transaction centered on man and God's need to expend the wrath his justice harbors. What holds it all together is not the justice of God (again, not denying the justice of God) but the love of God.

In other words, I do not deny limited atonement but I deny your limited view of Atonement.

Why do you believe that the main focus of the atonement needs to be on the punishment of God rather than other biblical aspects (like faithful obedience, victory over death and sin, the New Covenant, the Resurrection, the "Kingdom of God", etc.)?

What exactly are your arguments against my position, except that it is not yours? Is there even one passage of Scripture that calls into question my view? If so, what is it?

 

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That sounds good. Have a wonderful weekend. I pray you will both be blessed and a blessing to your church tomorrow.

 

I didn't think we have universalists here, as this is the Baptist only section. But who knows.

 

Who advocates that idea?

 

I missed that one. Sounds like a corruption of 2 Cor. 5:19.

I would like to look at the topic of this OP in more detail. Perhaps start by looking at how the OT sacrifices prove PST by showing punishment (symbolically) inflicted on the object of sacrifice. I'm interested in knowing exactly where the idea that the atoning sacrifice is punished vicariously with the punishment due the offender originated. Is it inherent in the idea of propitiation? Or is it something we reason into the sacrificial system?

 

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