Featured A study of the "Revelation" - date & significance, then & now

Certainly - as we read the Gospels & Acts we see the prophecies of Jesus perfectly fulfilled. Then, of course, we see the Olivet prophecy fulfilled in detail, in Acts & in the AD 70 destruction where the prophecies of Mat. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 were repeated in his Revelation to John, were fulfilled.

However, if you mean that Jesus in his life fulfilled the OC prophecies in a literal manner, that can be challenged, when we look at the prophecies quoted in their OC context. We should, of course accept the inspired report of the fulfillment in & by Jesus.
e.g.

Mat. 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.​

How did Jesus fulfill vs 15 & 16 before he was a toddler? The kingdoms in question were Syria & Ephraim. Yet Isa. 7:14 was indeed wonderfully & literally fulfilled.

Yes, we do like "spiritual interpretation." "Literal interpretation" is an oxymoron, as if interpretation is applied, it means the literal reading is not accepted.

Did Jesus encourage spiritual interpretation? Certainly!

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
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63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.​

Fulfillment within the lifetime of this generation.

You are confusing the New Heaven & New Earth after the Lord's coming for resurrection & judgment at the end of the Gospel age,
with
the believers in heaven during the Gospel age.
Day & night continue on earth during the Gospel age, though presumably not in heaven.

The Hebrews quotes apply - see also references to the heavenly hope of the Patriarchs.

 

If "ALL of the OT prophecies concerning first coming of jesus were fulfilled literally" then there are no "rest of them."

 

Please list 2 or 3 second coming OC prophesies so I can comment.

 

Its an interesting discussion. I don't expect everyone to be convinced by my arguments, but I do appreciate it when there are serious counter arguments.

What I don't appreciate is the sort of one line comment that makes a trivial objection, & then another, but never thinks through the argument, nor makes any sort of real point.

I know people already with deep & well reasoned convictions will be unlikely to change, & will be ready to give a defence.


I believe the partial preterist position is the only line that gets to grips with the text as specific prophecy. In my view PPism allows an Gospel age amil application/interpretation of Revelation as it makes the whole book relevant to the church throughout the Gospel age. However that interpretation however well stated, as by Martin, isn't really an interpretation of the text, but is a general application. We can, of course, apply it to ourselves in our own situation, as Christians have down the ages.


But I haven't seen a valid futurist interpretation, as it removes the book from its immediate readers, & from the church, & thus removes the promised blessings - 3 Blessed ishe that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time isat hand.


I would like to see a disp interpretation of the seals. John?

 

John has visions of the glorified Christ, but the glorious coming of the Lord in judgment, before the final coming for resurrection & judgment, will be veiled by clouds.

Exo. 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. ​