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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by banana, Mar 16, 2017.

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  1. Jope

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    Tell me, does God not reveal His word through dreams to prophets (Numbers 12:6)? Tell me also, was Hosea a false prophet?

    Hosea 12:9-10 NET
    I am the LORD your God who brought you out of Egypt; I will make you live in tents again as in the days of old. I spoke to the prophets; I myself revealed many visions; I spoke in parables through the prophets.​

    Did you know that Daniel and Zechariah had their visions and dreams from the LORD after Jeremiah died? Are they false prophets? Was Daniel wrong to seek to interpret the king's dreams and his own dreams (Dan. 2:16-19, etc.)?

    And hey, since you're preaching context, why not take a gander at the next verse there chap? "My message is like a fire that purges dross! It is like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces! I, the LORD, so affirm it!" (Jer 23:29). Is this a false message? The LORD's message is not like a fire that purges dross and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
     
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  2. Jope

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    Tell me also, since you are amillennial and since you see Joel 2 fulfilled today, what verse 28 is supposed to mean?

    "Your elderly will have revelatory dreams; your young men will see prophetic visions" (NET).​

    Maybe Joel was a false prophet too? Since, according to you, Jeremiah condemns dream interpretation, how do you propose these dreamers were/are supposed to interpret their dreams?
     
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    Analytical psychology has a place in helping persons understand the quagmire of events which brought to their current level of dysfunction. Catharsis is not conversion while at times conversion can be cathartic. This is not a scientific process, but insight brought gained is helpful to bring psycho-social adjustment. It is more of an art than a science. Which is most effective jung or Sigmond. Read about Freud and Emma and you see why some this was questioned and remains so today.
     
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    I was praying some months ago and is plain as day I could almost hear God talking. And charismatic as that sounds I know God speaks. And I am used to talking and handing out tracts and things of that I was really clear that quoting Bible verses it's not working the way it was 50 years ago and people will throw your tracks right back at you and the result was I changed my business card realizing they aren't interested in the Bible they're not Christians they're interested in what God does for me and you. So I made a business card that says does God speak to you? Ask me how? And since I started using those with people I'm telling them what God has done for me not about nebulous things in a book they haven't read but maybe through my testimony that connection can be made llead them to Jesus. That doesn't get them in the church yet but it's a start
     
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    Jope, I don't mean to rain on the parade, but dreams are unreliable and can sometimes just be the result of eating too much pizza or Liverwurst dip. To be relying on the opinions of a heathen like Sigmund Freud can be just as unreliable. God knows this and gave us "that which is perfect", His Word, so that anything in part isn't needed any more. I believe that's why the brother mentioned that those type of dreams ended with the new covenant or something like that.

    Most modern cults were established when their "prophets" had special visions and dreams. Some of these were the Seventh Day Adventist, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and even the Latter Rain Prosperity movements. They all claim that God spoke directly to them in visions and dreams and they alone can tell us what God intends, whether it agrees with the scriptures or not.

    Anything that's valued equally to the scriptures for our edification is just wrong and shouldn't be given any credence. Doing so means that there are new revelations and that the scriptures aren't fulfilled in my humble opinion.
     
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    Hebrews 1:1-2. God spoke through a donkey once, but I am not expecting him to do so again, though when I read some of your posts, I wonder. ;)
     
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    So God speaks through me then! Thanks!

    I may be [a donkey] [crude language edited], at least I'm not a [mute donkey] [crude language edited] though. ;)


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    Easy now... Not exactly a Christian way to reason with each other is it?
     
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    Answer a fool according to his folly, proverbs 26:4-5, no?


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    Not that I would classify someone making a legitimate argument as a fool. I do see how you might have been insulted by his remarks, but is it right to escalate it?
     
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    Legitimate argument? How? Give me one scriptural reference for the closed canon Lutheran doctrine. This is very recent to Christianity, and the converts to Christianity before Martin Luther are still greater than the converts to Christianity after him. More Christians have been saved without sola scriptura!


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    What makes you think that Luther is the one who originated the "Scriptures Only" belief? He wasn't! Have you ever heard of our ancient Waldenessian brethren who were tenacious believers in the final authority of the scriptures. And please let me scripturally remind you of how we're begotten as children of God:

    Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
     
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    Were either Freud/Jumg saved/Spirit filled men? Think best to have the sciptures addressing thing!
     
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    Jesus and the Apostles all taught though that the Bible ALONE is our inspired authority for all doctrines and practices! We use other sources, but NOTHING else gives to us doctrines/practices in the final sense!
     
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    Faith in the Work and Person of Jesus!
     
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    Would there be any other Yeshua1? 2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. Praise God...
     
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    Oh boy...There are probably more Christians alive on Earth right now then there were in history up to the time of Martin Luther.
     
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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Latin America, Australia, North America, huge inroads into Africa, even growth in Asia (RoK comes to mind).
     
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    Where? I said give a reference.

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