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What are your views on various doctrines?

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Jope

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Your interpretation of Jeremiah 21:28 is typically appalling. You ignore the context of verses 25-32.

Tell me, does God not reveal His word through dreams to prophets (Numbers 12:6)? Tell me also, was Hosea a false prophet?

Hosea 12:9-10 NET
I am the LORD your God who brought you out of Egypt; I will make you live in tents again as in the days of old. I spoke to the prophets; I myself revealed many visions; I spoke in parables through the prophets.​

Did you know that Daniel and Zechariah had their visions and dreams from the LORD after Jeremiah died? Are they false prophets? Was Daniel wrong to seek to interpret the king's dreams and his own dreams (Dan. 2:16-19, etc.)?

And hey, since you're preaching context, why not take a gander at the next verse there chap? "My message is like a fire that purges dross! It is like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces! I, the LORD, so affirm it!" (Jer 23:29). Is this a false message? The LORD's message is not like a fire that purges dross and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
 
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Jope

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Tell me also, since you are amillennial and since you see Joel 2 fulfilled today, what verse 28 is supposed to mean?

"Your elderly will have revelatory dreams; your young men will see prophetic visions" (NET).​

Maybe Joel was a false prophet too? Since, according to you, Jeremiah condemns dream interpretation, how do you propose these dreamers were/are supposed to interpret their dreams?
 

Billx

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Analytical psychology has a place in helping persons understand the quagmire of events which brought to their current level of dysfunction. Catharsis is not conversion while at times conversion can be cathartic. This is not a scientific process, but insight brought gained is helpful to bring psycho-social adjustment. It is more of an art than a science. Which is most effective jung or Sigmond. Read about Freud and Emma and you see why some this was questioned and remains so today.
 

Billx

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Tell me also, since you are amillennial and since you see Joel 2 fulfilled today, what verse 28 is supposed to mean?

"Your elderly will have revelatory dreams; your young men will see prophetic visions" (NET).​

Maybe Joel was a false prophet too? Since, according to you, Jeremiah condemns dream interpretation, how do you propose these dreamers were/are supposed to interpret their dreams?
I was praying some months ago and is plain as day I could almost hear God talking. And charismatic as that sounds I know God speaks. And I am used to talking and handing out tracts and things of that I was really clear that quoting Bible verses it's not working the way it was 50 years ago and people will throw your tracks right back at you and the result was I changed my business card realizing they aren't interested in the Bible they're not Christians they're interested in what God does for me and you. So I made a business card that says does God speak to you? Ask me how? And since I started using those with people I'm telling them what God has done for me not about nebulous things in a book they haven't read but maybe through my testimony that connection can be made llead them to Jesus. That doesn't get them in the church yet but it's a start
 

The Parson

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Jope, I don't mean to rain on the parade, but dreams are unreliable and can sometimes just be the result of eating too much pizza or Liverwurst dip. To be relying on the opinions of a heathen like Sigmund Freud can be just as unreliable. God knows this and gave us "that which is perfect", His Word, so that anything in part isn't needed any more. I believe that's why the brother mentioned that those type of dreams ended with the new covenant or something like that.

Most modern cults were established when their "prophets" had special visions and dreams. Some of these were the Seventh Day Adventist, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and even the Latter Rain Prosperity movements. They all claim that God spoke directly to them in visions and dreams and they alone can tell us what God intends, whether it agrees with the scriptures or not.

Anything that's valued equally to the scriptures for our edification is just wrong and shouldn't be given any credence. Doing so means that there are new revelations and that the scriptures aren't fulfilled in my humble opinion.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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Tell me, does God not reveal His word through dreams to prophets (Numbers 12:6)? Tell me also, was Hosea a false prophet?

Hosea 12:9-10 NET
I am the LORD your God who brought you out of Egypt; I will make you live in tents again as in the days of old. I spoke to the prophets; I myself revealed many visions; I spoke in parables through the prophets.​

Did you know that Daniel and Zechariah had their visions and dreams from the LORD after Jeremiah died? Are they false prophets? Was Daniel wrong to seek to interpret the king's dreams and his own dreams (Dan. 2:16-19, etc.)?

And hey, since you're preaching context, why not take a gander at the next verse there chap? "My message is like a fire that purges dross! It is like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces! I, the LORD, so affirm it!" (Jer 23:29). Is this a false message? The LORD's message is not like a fire that purges dross and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
Hebrews 1:1-2. God spoke through a donkey once, but I am not expecting him to do so again, though when I read some of your posts, I wonder. ;)
 

Jope

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Hebrews 1:1-2. God spoke through a donkey once, but I am not expecting him to do so again, though when I read some of your posts, I wonder. ;)

So God speaks through me then! Thanks!

I may be [a donkey] [crude language edited], at least I'm not a [mute donkey] [crude language edited] though. ;)


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The Parson

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Not that I would classify someone making a legitimate argument as a fool. I do see how you might have been insulted by his remarks, but is it right to escalate it?
 

Jope

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Not that I would classify someone making a legitimate argument as a fool. I do see how you might have been insulted by his remarks, but is it right to escalate it?

Legitimate argument? How? Give me one scriptural reference for the closed canon Lutheran doctrine. This is very recent to Christianity, and the converts to Christianity before Martin Luther are still greater than the converts to Christianity after him. More Christians have been saved without sola scriptura!


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The Parson

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What makes you think that Luther is the one who originated the "Scriptures Only" belief? He wasn't! Have you ever heard of our ancient Waldenessian brethren who were tenacious believers in the final authority of the scriptures. And please let me scripturally remind you of how we're begotten as children of God:

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

Yeshua1

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Jung and Freud figured out that dreams can be turned into a science. A person who dreams of a brick house, for example means something specific, no matter what person is dreaming of a brick house. Symbols mean the same thing regardless of who is dreaming of the symbol. "But if the analyst who is confronted by this dream material uses Freud's original technique of 'free association,' he finds that dreams can eventually be reduced to certain basic patterns" (Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols, p. 26).

"Freud made the simple but penetrating observation that if a dreamer is encouraged to go on talking about his dream images and the thoughts that these prompt in his mind, he will give himself away and reveal the unconscious back-ground of his ailments, in both what he says and what he deliberately omits saying. His ideas may seem irrational and irrelevant, but after a time it becomes relatively easy to see what it is that he is trying to avoid, what unpleasant thought or experience he is suppressing..." (ibid., p. 27).

"Sigmund Freud was the pioneer who first tried to explore empirically the unconscious background of consciousness...Before the beginning of this century, Freud and Josef Breuer had recognized that neurotic symptoms — hysteria, certain types of pain, and abnormal behavior—are in fact symbolically meaningful. They are one way in which the unconscious mind expresses itself, just as it may in dreams; and they are equally symbolic. A patient, for instance, who is confronted with an intolerable situation may develop a spasm whenever he tries to swallow: He 'can’t swallow it.' Under similar conditions of psychological stress, another patient has an attack of asthma: He 'can’t breathe the atmosphere at home.' A third suffers from a peculiar paralysis of the legs: He can’t walk, i.e., 'he can’t go on any more.' A fourth, who vomits when he eats, 'cannot digest' some unpleasant fact.
I could cite many examples of this kind, but such physical reactions are only one form in which the problems that trouble us unconsciously may express themselves. They more often find expression in our dreams" (ibid., p. 24-6).
And just to give you an idea of how scientific and reliable psychoanalysis and dream interpretation is:

"Freud worked in the laboratory of Ernst Brucke, one of a group of physiologists who had attempted to found a science of biology on thoroughly materialistic grounds. In his autobiography, Freud described Brucke as the person 'who carried more weight with me than anyone else in my whole life'" (Armand Nicholi Jr, The Question of God, p. 20).

"You may be surprised to learn that in Europe we have heard very frequently judgments passed on psychoanalysis by persons who knew nothing of its technique and had never practised it, but who demanded scornfully that we show the correctness of our results. There are among these people some who are not in other things unacquainted with scientific methods of thought, who for example would not reject the result of a microscopical research because it cannot be confirmed with the naked eye in anatomical preparations, and who would not pass judgment until they had used the microscope" (Sigmund Freud, The Origin & Development of Pscyhoanalysis, pp. 44-5).
Carl Jung correctly noted that many Christians today have forgotten that God still speaks today through dreams (Numbers 12:6).

“Christians often ask why God does not speak to them, as he is believed to have done in former days. When I hear such questions, it always makes me think of the rabbi who was asked how it could be that God often showed himself to people in the olden days while nowadays nobody ever sees him. The rabbi replied: 'Nowadays there is now longer anybody who can bow low enough.'
This answer hits the nail on the head. We are so captivated by and entangled in our subjective consciousness that we have forgotten the age-old fact that God speaks chiefly through dreams and visions. The Buddhist discards the world of unconscious fantasies as useless illusions; the Christian puts his Church and his Bible between himself and his unconscious; and the rational intellectual does not yet know that his consciousness is not his total psyche. This ignorance persists today in spite of the fact that for more than 70 years the unconscious has been a basic scientific concept that is indispensable to any serious psychological investigation” (Jung, Man and His Symbols).​
Were either Freud/Jumg saved/Spirit filled men? Think best to have the sciptures addressing thing!
 

Yeshua1

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Legitimate argument? How? Give me one scriptural reference for the closed canon Lutheran doctrine. This is very recent to Christianity, and the converts to Christianity before Martin Luther are still greater than the converts to Christianity after him. More Christians have been saved without sola scriptura!


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Jesus and the Apostles all taught though that the Bible ALONE is our inspired authority for all doctrines and practices! We use other sources, but NOTHING else gives to us doctrines/practices in the final sense!
 

Yeshua1

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And that would be faith in God's Grace now wouldn't it?
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Faith in the Work and Person of Jesus!
 

The Parson

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Would there be any other Yeshua1? 2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. Praise God...
 

InTheLight

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converts to Christianity before Martin Luther are still greater than the converts to Christianity after him. More Christians have been saved without sola scriptura!

Oh boy...There are probably more Christians alive on Earth right now then there were in history up to the time of Martin Luther.
 

Rob_BW

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Oh boy...There are probably more Christians alive on Earth right now then there were in history up to the time of Martin Luther.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Latin America, Australia, North America, huge inroads into Africa, even growth in Asia (RoK comes to mind).
 

Jope

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Jesus and the Apostles all taught though that the Bible ALONE is our inspired authority for all doctrines and practices! We use other sources, but NOTHING else gives to us doctrines/practices in the final sense!


Where? I said give a reference.

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