Featured Is Acts 17:30 only the elect or the entire human race?

Here's what you said.

You are trying to force God to go against His word. Read your last sentence if you still struggle with your own words.

 

First you have not proven that I have done this. You just make a claim unsubstantiated. Second, your interpretation of scripture in no way means I try to force God to go against His word. This attitude and debate tactic you are employing here is why these discussions go south.

 

I quote you. You are arguing against yourself at this point.

 

Grace would not exist. Works would be our means of salvation.

 

OTOH Grace is possibly the means (actually the only possible means) from whence free will would get its power.

The question then becomes to whom is it granted?

After all if God is doing it then the scope could be "ALL" or "all" of the elect to choose or not to choose (of course then it would seem that the elect would only have an "apparent" choice and therefore only "apparent" free will.

Personally I have no problem with a brother or sister of either (or something inbetween) persuasion.

I'm still undecided - somewhere inbetween.

Ya, I know - How long halt you between two opinions?

Till I meet Jesus either in the air or I wake up with Him standing there.

HankD

 

No, because then only those who were given grace would be able to do the required works.

HankD

 

There is no required work. There is only grace, given by the foreordained will of God. God grants grace and gives the gift of faith. Anything after that is our obedience to our new master now that we are a new creation in Christ.

 

Is that why many of the greatest soul winners as preacher and missionaries movenents were calvinists also?
How could that be true?

 

Jesus and Paul agreed that the only "work" required is to put faith into Jesus

 

there is NO biblical evidence that Paul referred to those who are unsaved as receiving milk or meat!

 

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

HankD

 

Whose work?
The work of men or the work of God?
Who gives you the faith? Is it you, by your free will or is it God?

The answer is in the verse you quoted, Hank.

 

We still need to believe it : ...that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

HankD

 

You will think it to be foolishness unless God makes you alive and gives you belief (faith).

 

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

The dead who hear will live.

I was dead in trespasses and sins and I heard Him.

HankD

 

Hmm, I think I've gone down a rabbit hole!!

HankD