John Calvin - Jesus Died For the Whole Human Race

No God's Word is very cryptic. The word mystery is used over 20 times in NT and means sacred secret. in the Greek. Its hidden to carnal believers. You need spiritual eyes not baptist eyes.

 

Thanks oh guru with great enlightenment. I will light some incense in your great honor and only hope that some day I might sit in the dung of your spiritual greatness.

 

Mt Zion a rock of offense a stone of stumbling. I know this verse is too deep for your 30 fold limitations.

 

I am beginning to think you are utilyan. You make no sense.

 

Label me what ever you like you will never know anything above 30 fold.

 

Funny how you make yourself out to be a god who can tell others what they will be. The more you speak the more you sound like utilyan.

 

You really are a poor loser. I quote scripture and you ignore it, dismiss it and than attack me personally.

 

It is said by some that Calvin taught a "limited atonement." Was this really his teaching, or was it added later by others? The famous acrostic TULIP has it in it.

 

Using same logic it can be said the ELECT have never and will never be saved having been chosen prior to creation and never at a threat to be saved from in the first place.

 

Not at all, as the Lord saves by it all that he intended to get saved!

 

That viewpoint would provide NO way to have God be in judgement now, would it? If all get saved, then why not go route of a Hitler. Manson, or a Hugh heffner and just do as your desire?

 

Yet previously you stated that that his death is sufficient for all - however if all do not benefit from it how can that be, unless some of that sufficiency is wasted?

 

So true, as IF the lord had intended the death of Christ to really provide a real salvation towards all, then all would have been saved!

 

So, why do you and TC insist on Christ's death being for all, but yet limited only to some. It seems you add a middle man for no practical reason. Why not accept that Christ died for those whom the Father adopts and for no one else? For all others the full wrath of God falls on the individual because his sins never had atonement.
I'm trying to understand the value of the nuance you and TC are adding.

 

Jesus died for all persons, but the father just applies his death in a salvation sense towards the Elect in Christ. The main reason that I see it in that light is that I take the died for all, for sins of entire world as meaning just that, and not make it mean just for the elect!

 

Let me help clear things up.


Everyone in heaven and who will be in heaven is Elect.

 

"First John 2:2 has perplexed many a Calvinist because the idea that Jesus is the propitiation for “the sins of the whole world” apparently teaches the Savior has made atonement for everyone without exception. However, this verse is not troublesome once we understand John is not explaining the intent of the atonement but is only repeating some basic Christian truths. Remember that in the early church, many Jews found it hard to believe that God would save the Gentiles. This verse addresses this problem, reminding us that the one who saves the Jews is the same one who saves the Gentiles. Jesus is the propitiation for both Jew and Gentile. The passage says nothing in favor of Him dying for every individual on earth.
So 1 John 2:2 merely tells us there is only one way of salvation. If anyone will be redeemed, he will be redeemed through Jesus, the only Savior."
Ligonier Ministries