You and pai; disagree on this issue, he was an inspired Apostle, but you are?
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The Three-Fold Division of the Law
- Thread starter Martin Marprelate
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You mean I can't just have belief and rest in what he did? How dare you. I can do anything I want now. Right?
Paul again, why we have all freedom and liberty now in Christ to do what we want, not all is profitable!
If you can, you can what God can't, <reject his Gift>. Could God choose <<satans ways of disobedience>>?
This discussion sounds like Job's conversation with his friends, or theirs with him, rather.
Eternal life/salavtion is once saved always saved, correct?
Just read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.and Galatians 5:19-23. And if you find anything about dietary laws or a seventh-day Sabbath, you be sure and let me know.
'Against these there is no law' (Gal. 5:23). If someone is trusting Christ and exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit (as one must if one is born anew), there is no divine law that will condemn him.
You are not of belief if you willfully break the commands.
You also don't have His spirit if you willfully break commands (it is given to those who obey)
The new covenant didn't give new commands it gave better promises. The sabbath was from the beginning and will be till the end. It honors the Creator.
Acts 15:5, 7, 10. 'But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to command them to keep the law of Moses."........And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them, "........Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the necks of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"'
The N.T, churches kept their sabbath on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:1-2).
No, they didn't keep their sabbath on sunday, they were gathered on the first of the "weeks" (shabbaton). Shavuot, or pentecost, is called the "feast of weeks". They gathered on the first of these weeks (maybe on firstfruits).
That in no way changes an eternal commandment and if you think so you are dishonest with the text.
James 2
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Leave it to "brilliant" minds to read this and conclude the truth must be EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
You see that man is justified by FAITH ALONE and NOT BY WORKS.
Now James is pretty harsh says folks who don't understand are stupid/foolish. I just think God likes to reciprocate our bad judgement of others on to ourselves to snap out of it, because there is no way anyone can get BACKWARDS unless mentally handicapped or retarded, or by divine intervention
James 2
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Who is he calling foolish fellow? It certainly ain't the guy who believes he needs to do good works.
This is why Martin Luther wanted to get rid of this book. He KNEW it was flat out against his faith alone doctrine.
Its quoted HE HATES THIS BOOK, how can one hate holy scripture? An "epistle of straw"
This is from wiki for Luther's canon of scripture:
Luther's canon - Wikipedia
Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide), but this was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.[5]
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Leave it to "brilliant" minds to read this and conclude the truth must be EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
You see that man is justified by FAITH ALONE and NOT BY WORKS.
Now James is pretty harsh says folks who don't understand are stupid/foolish. I just think God likes to reciprocate our bad judgement of others on to ourselves to snap out of it, because there is no way anyone can get BACKWARDS unless mentally handicapped or retarded, or by divine intervention
James 2
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Who is he calling foolish fellow? It certainly ain't the guy who believes he needs to do good works.
This is why Martin Luther wanted to get rid of this book. He KNEW it was flat out against his faith alone doctrine.
Its quoted HE HATES THIS BOOK, how can one hate holy scripture? An "epistle of straw"
This is from wiki for Luther's canon of scripture:
Luther's canon - Wikipedia
Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide), but this was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.[5]
I think James is clearing up some of Paul's hard writings that people were twisting at the time (and still today) as recorded by 2 Peter 3:16.
Paul says that you are justified by Faith alone (Trust in the Creator and have obedience to His written word) and not by the works of the law (judaism's oral law of added commandments). In this Paul is correct, but to the unlearned reader it would appear he is trying to diminish the Creator's torah even though he said he was not multiple times.
James emphatically states that you can't have Faith without the obedience to back it up. This is 100% correct and logical. Martin Luther had a false premise about grace.
This is arbitrary, indeed false "dividing the Word of God". <<the works of the law>> are righteous deeds of the law, not <<judaism's oral law of added commandments>>, at least not in the Law 'of Moses', because Moses received 'his laws', from God.
Also, YOUR claim that <<Trust in the Creator and have obedience to His written word>> justifies a person, in fact is what is here <<Judaist and added commandments>> to what Paul taught, that one is justified by Faith alone.
There is no <<on the first of the "weeks">> in the New Testament. It is nonsensical and plainly ignorant foolishness to speak of <<the weeks>> as <(shabbaton)>.
And <<Shavuot, or pentecost>>, is not, <<called the "feast of weeks">>. In fact it is nonsensical and plainly ignorant foolishness to speak of <<Shavuot, or pentecost>> as <<the "feast of weeks">>.
Then, there is no <<They gathered>> in Acts 20:7. In fact it is nonsensical and plainly ignorant foolishness to speak of <<they gathered>> in Acts 20:7.
And <<on the first of these weeks (maybe on firstfruits)>> is nonsensical and plainly ignorant foolishness to say.
Your whole post, every word and every idea, is nonsensical and plainly ignorant foolishness.
The N.T. churches kept their Lord Jesus', Sabbath Day; not <<the first day of the week>>.
What's this, <<sabbath on the first day of the week>>? Where have you read that nonsensical ignorant foolishness? You claim in the New Testament? THEN PLACE IT HERE!
Neither Acts 20:7 nor 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 say anything near that the N.T. Church kept the Lord Jesus' Sabbath Day, on the First Day of the week. Spelled: N-O-T!
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The New Covenant was "established on better promises" made (or <given>) by God from before the creation of the world. "BUT NOW", says Hebrews 8:6, "has He (Christ) obtained (HIS) more excellent ministry, by how much more excellent ministry He (NOW) is / has become in fact (also) MEDIATOR" of it in Person. Jesus Christ is become Mediator and Minister of the Eternal, New, and eternally new, Covenant of GOD, the "Better Covenant" that from before the foundation of the world, has been "established upon (the) better promises" which GOD (not man), made or gave --- "promises" about and of Jesus, its Anointed Minister and Mediator promised to come.
Priests on earth ministered and mediated THIS, God's NEW Covenant in the tabernacle made with hands.
Jesus on earth obtained ministry and mediation of God's NEW Covenant in the tabernacle of his flesh, Himself the Priest; Himself the Victim; Himself the Altar; HIMSELF THE SANCTUARY, and "the LORD, not man, PITCHED the Sanctuary the True Tabernacle." The True Tabernacle "not made with hands", "God, by the exceeding greatness of his Power, RAISED from the dead". "CHRIST, BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, RAISED", is the Heavenly Sanctuary and True Tabernacle of God's New, and Everlasting Covenant of Grace.
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Apparently you didn't look up the word week in that verse. It is a shabbaton. What is that?
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
And further proof that this is true is the preceding verse:
Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
And where is the "Feast of weeks"?
Lev 23:15 ‘And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths.
Lev 23:16 ‘Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to YHVH.
Lev 23:16 ‘Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to YHVH.
So don't start name calling till you actually look up the factual evidence.
There is no <<word week>> in Acts 20:7 or in Matthew 28:1 I was referring to which was the text you referred to in the first place.
And there is no word, <<sab'-bat-on>> or <<the Sabbath>> or <<Shabbath>> or <<se'nnight>> or <<interval between two Sabbaths>> or <<likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week>>. NONE Sultsch Nil ZERO.
Now what proof are the words “five days” [hehmerohn pente] for or of the occurrence or meaning of <<the word sab'-bat-on>> supposedly occurring in Acts 20:7 and Matthew 28:1? NONE Sultsch Nil ZERO.
Who needs to know <<where is the "Feast of weeks"?>> You think that you need it; find it! But I can assure you, there is nothing of in Acts 20 or Matthew 28 -- NONE Sultsch Nil ZERO.
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Where to find the Feast of weeks,
Passover of Yahweh in Leviticus 23
Passover of Yahweh in Leviticus 23
I'm really not sure what version you're using with missing words:
Act 20:7 And on the first day of the week,the taught ones having gathered together to break bread, Sha’ul, intending to depart the next day, was reasoning with them and was extending the word till midnight.
And Matt 28 also has the same word (and shabbaton) in multiple translations I checked.
Mat 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, toward dawn on the first day of the week, Miryam from Maḡdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb.
And if you desire understanding, you do need to know about the feast of weeks in Lev 23. If you don't, you don't.
"on the first day of the week" is a single phrasal unit of idiomatic meaning, not <week>, but "on the First Day-of-the-week" ('Saturday'; night and 'Sunday' day)- 'en tehi Miáhi (Hehmérai) tohn sabbátohn'.