I do not see Elohimin there, how do you?
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Are Christians in Trouble Spiritually?
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To the Lord Jesus....
Truly truly you are blind. May He open your eyes to the truth.
He has, as my only hope is Jesus death and resurrection, what is your hope based upon?
My hope is in that and the Father's covenant with me. He alone saves, but we must accept the offer by obeying Him.
Obey Him in what? jesus stated that the will of God was to believe on Jesus and get saved, is that enough?
Ok, I'm done with you. You don't desire truth.
What will God require from us in order to get us saved?
The old covenant which is mentioned in Heb 8:8-13. The one that was fulfilled by Jesus Who inaugurated a new and living way, a new covenant. The new covenant is the one that few seem to find...
"You search the scripture because you think that in them you have eternal life, yet it is these which speak of Me but you are unwilling to come to Me that you may have eternal life." And also, "The one who comes to Me, I will certainly not cast out."
If the Old Covenant was as great as our friend keeps making the claimfor, why did the OT Prophets long for the time of Messiah and the New One he would bring in?
What are you saying? Who is <<our friend?>>
Hi,
I don't want to cause contention but I do feel it's very relevant to say that actually, Jesus has so entirely saved me that I could spit at the throne of God, if I wanted to, and still be saved. Of course, I don't want to spit at the throne of God but the point is is that the onus is upon God and not me. He is the One Who calls me and He will bring it to pass. Regardless of my actions. That is the enormity of the salvation of Christ and now nothing is able to separate me from the love of God. To me, that's REALLY good news! # The vilest offender who truly believes, THAT MOMENT from Jesus a pardon receives. Praise The Lord! Praise The Lord, let the earth hear His voice!# I love that old hymn.
<<The old covenant which is mentioned in Heb 8:8-13.>> There is NO <<old covenant>>, <<mentioned in Heb 8:8-13>>. The Covenant that Jesus fulfilled and by which He inaugurated a new and living way, was, The New Covenant God in his Eternal Council covenanted. The one that was fulfilled by Jesus Who inaugurated a new and living way ... the New Covenant that few seem to find...
Yes... The New Covenant that few seem to find. "You search the Scripture because you think that in them you have eternal life, yet it is these which speak of Me but you are unwilling to come to Me that you may have eternal life."
But you're speaking of <<The old covenant which is mentioned in Heb 8:8-13>> Now there never was an 'OLD covenant' which GOD, spoke of or concerning Christ, mentioned in Hebrews 8:8-13 or anywhere else in Scripture.
In Hebrews 8:5-13 there is mention of "a Covenant He (Christ) is the Mediator of, a better Covenant"; "a New Covenant I (God) will make"; "the covenant I (God) made with their fathers"; "My (God's) Covenant they continued not in"; "this the Covenant I (God) will make".
This in all is the one and same Eternal Covenant of Grace of GOD, which in the OLD Testament was called the NEW Covenant because it at that time foresaw and prophesied the Messiah; and which in the NEW Testament is called the "Better Covenant" which "Christ is the Mediator" of, which Christ "hath obtained a more excellent ministry" for, and which Christ "established upon better promises".
"For if that first (place) tabernacle (skehneh) which Moses made ... had been faultless, then no place, no true Tabernacle or Sanctuary which the Lord pitched, which the Majesty in the heavens (Christ) is minister and Mediator of, should have been sought."
An <<old covenant>> that GOD covenanted? Never! That CHRIST is Minister and Mediator of? God forbid!
I think you need to be a little bit careful here. I think spitting at the throne of God might be an indication that someone is not saved. 'Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit calls Jesus accursed' (1 Corinthians 12:3).
The point is that God does not simply save someone and then leave him to get on with his life. He gives him a new heart and a new spirit that causes him to love God and to love his moral law. Have a look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
1Sa_2:30 “Therefore YHVH Elohim of Yisra’ĕl declares, ‘I said indeed that your house and the house of your father would walk before Me forever.’ But now YHVH declares, ‘Far be it from Me, for those who highly esteem Me I highly esteem, and those who despise Me are lightly esteemed.
Hi,
As I understand it, it was God Who found fault with the old covenant (Heb 8:7), so He brought in a new one. Christ fulfilled the requirements of the old law and inaugurated a new covenant, one based on the promise He made to Abraham and His seed. A promise is not based on law. Though our friend is of the opinion it is. Vs 11 says we will not teach everyone his brother, etc, because God Himself would teach us, writing His laws upon our hearts and minds, saying He will be our God and we shall be His people. Sounds good to me. Not surprised the OT prophets were looking forward to that promise...
Don't forget:
Being circumcised in the proper manner.
Paying the annual temple tax.
Don't possess images (coins, paper money with images of men and animals).
Don't wear clothing of mixed fabric).
Destroy all your pictures.
Go to Israel on succoth October 5 through October 11 (the fifteenth through the twenty-first of Tishrei) and celebrate the feast of Tabernacles (must be celebrated in Israel).
etc, etc...
HankD
Hi,
My point was simply regarding the enormity and completeness of my position in Christ. I think that in our ignorance, we all spit at the throne of God. We have our arrogant opinions regarding salvation and the method by which it is obtained. We all exhort one another to live according to our own or someone else's understanding of the gospel. We challenge one another. We JUDGE one another...lol. We're terrible, really! Mini providence's. As Romans 7 says, I INTEND to do good stuff but in ACTUALITY, I find I'm condemned to do fleshly stuff! Thank God He's accepted me in the Beloved! I'd be stuffed otherwise! Not that I'm saying I do anything particularly 'bad' but that I recognise my weaknesses. It keeps me humble.lol. Thorn in my side... I'm saying, He creates a new heart in me. He meets me as I am - dead in my trespasses and sins - and makes me alive together with Him. God's big. Our puny complaints and insults don't phase Him one bit. I assure you He is big enough to take it. His ultimate goal is to have us in the image of His Son. To have you One with Him. It's quite humiliating to realise one has spat at the throne of God when He shows you that, regardless to how relevant or justified one's intention/attitude seemed at the time. And yet I am still in my relationship with God. He has not forsaken me because He has promised He will save me. I am being changed from glory to glory by responding to the leading of the Holy Spirit. My salvation isn't dependant upon me but upon Jesus and what He accomplished. It's certainly worthy of praise!
God is not a petulant brat who would discard me on account of my ignorance. I do not need to be afraid of Him. I am anxious for nothing. That is not to say I am not reproved by Him, of course I am! How else would I be changed? How else would I know right from wrong, except by His Spirit?
1 Cor 12:3 is regarding people speaking in tongues, saying that they need not fear that they might call Christ accursed without realising it, since it is impossible to do that when speaking by the Spirit.
Be blessed!
Exodus 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Sunday - The day of the Sun – Pagan celebration.
Monday – The day of the Moon – Pagan celebration.
Tuesday –Zeus Day – Greek god celebration.
Wednesday – Woden’s Day – Germanic god celebration.
Thursday – Thor’s Day Norse god celebration.
Friday – Freya’s Day – Druid goddess celebration.
Saturday – Saturn’s Day - Pagan god celebration.
If you have EVER said any of these names of the days of the week e.g. “I’m going to prayer meeting on Wednesday (Woden’s Day)” you have broken the mitzvah of Exodus 23:13 and are doomed.
Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
If the Law of Moses has condemned you, flee to Jesus!
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out..
HankD
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Sorry. I don't know what translation you are reading from but my KJV reads (Heb 8:7) "For if that first covenant had been faultless..." It doesn't say anything about 'tabernacle which Moses made, etc'.
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