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Featured Repentence From Sins To Salvation - False And True Teachings

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AndyAnsell, May 4, 2017.

  1. AndyAnsell

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    CHARLES RYRIE: (FALSE)

    "And yet John surely had many opportunities to use it in the events of our Lord’s life which he recorded. It would have been most appropriate to use repent or repentance in the account of the Lord’s conversation with Nicodemus. But believe is the word used (John 3:12, 15). So, If Nicodemus needed to repent, believe must be a synonym; else how could the Lord have failed to use the word repent when talking to him? To the Samaritan harlot, Christ did not say repent. He told her to ask (John 4:10), and when her testimony and the Lord’s spread to other Samaritans, John recorded not that they repented but that they believed (vss. 39, 41-42). There are about fifty more occurrences of “believe” or “faith” in the Gospel of John, but not one use of “repent.” The climax is John 20:31: “These have been written that you may believe . . . and that believing you may have life in His name.” (Charles C. Ryrie, So Great Salvation, Victor Books, p. 98)"

    JOHN MURRAY: (TRUE)


    "In the New Testament the terms 'repent' (metanoeo) and 'repentance' (metanoia) refer basically to a change of mind. It is all-important to note this signification. For repentance consists in a radical transformation of thought, attitude, outlook, and direction. In accordance with the pervasive Old Testament emphasis and with what appears also in the New Testament, repentance is a turning from sin unto God and His service. The co-ordination of turning (epistrepho) with repentance places this fact in relief (cf. Acts iii. 19, xxvi. 20) as well as the frequency with which turning from sin unto God occurs as the virtual synonym of repentance (cf. Lk. i. 16; Acts ix. 35, xi. 21, xiv. 15, xv. 19, xxvi. 18; 1 Thes. i. 9; 1 Pet. ii. 25). Repentance is a revolution in that which is most determinative in human personality and is the reflex in consciousness of the radical change wrought by the Holy Spirit in regeneration.

    It is a mistake, however, to underrate the place of grief and hatred for sin and turning from it unto God. It is true that there can be a morbid and morose sorrow which has no affinity with repentance. It is the sorrow of the world which works death (2 Cor. vii. 10), exemplified in Judas (Mt. xxvii. 3-5) and Esau (Heb. xii. 17). But there is a godly sorrow that works repentance unto salvation (2 Cor. vii. 9, 10), and it is an indispensable ingredient in evangelical repentance. This grief is signally manifest in the examples of repentance which the Bible provides (cf. Jb. xlii. 5, 6; Ps. li. 1-17; Lk. xxii. 62). It could not be otherwise. Nothing is more relevant to our situation in relation to God than our sin, and the salvation to which repentance is directed is salvation from sin.

    The necessity of repentance as a condition of salvation is clearly inscribed on the biblical witness. Our Lord began His public ministry with the message, 'Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand' (Mt. iv. 17). One of His final announcements before the ascension was that 'repentance unto remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all nations' (Lk. xxiv. 47, cf. xiii. 3, 5). In the carrying out of this commission no word is more significant than that of Peter on the day of Pentecost (Acts ii. 38). To the same effect is Paul's declaration that the change in God's administration of grace to the world, resulting from Jesus' death and resurrection, is signalized by the command to men that 'they should all everywhere repent' (Acts xvii. 30). And Paul sums up his witness to both Jews and Greeks as that which consists in 'repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ' (Acts xx. 21).

    The demand for repentance in the witness of Jesus and of the apostles as well as the fact that repentance is unto the remission of sins and eternal life (cf. Lk. xxiv. 47; Acts ii. 38, iii. 19, v. 31, xi. 18; 2 Cor. vii. 10) show that there is no salvation apart from repentance. This does not interfere with the complementary truth that we are saved through faith. Faith alone is the instrument of justification. But justification is not the whole of salvation, and faith is not the only condition. Faith dissociated from repentance would not be the faith that is unto salvation. The specific character of faith is trust, commitment to Christ, but it always exists in a context. Repentance is integral to that context. It is vain to ask, Which is prior, faith or repentance? They are always concurrently in exercise and are mutually conditioning. Faith is directed to Christ for salvation from sin unto holiness and life. But this involves hatred of sin and turning from it. Repentance is turning from sin unto God. But this implies the apprehension of the mercy of God in Christ." (From The New Bible Dictionary, p. 1084)
     
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    Why do you think "repent" is not implied in the word "believe"?
     
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    If you will see what Ryrie is saying, he is making a clear distinction between "repenting", which he does not believe to be necessary for salvation, and "belief" (faith), which is argues is the only thing needed to be saved. This is what Zane Hodges and others, who reject "repentance", as in "turning away from sins in true sorrow", as a pre-condition for salvation, believe, which is Biblically incorrect. I am open to being shown to be wrong from the Word.

    There are some who teach that to be saved a sinner need only "change their mind" (repent) about how the viewed Jesus Christ before, and not actually "turn" from their sinful life, in true godly sorrow and accept Jesus as their personal Saviour and Lord, which they wrongly see as a "work". This is a modern day heresy!
     
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    I think I am following you (I took the Ryrie quote to mean repentance was implied in belief).
     
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    Surely the fact is that our faith is to be a repentant faith, and our repentance is to be a believing repentance (Mark 1:15)?

    The devils in hell believe that Jesus Christ is the Holy One of God, but they do not repent. And repentance without trusting in Christ for salvation is mere remorse, that which Judas had before he killed himself.
     
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    The simple answer:

    Luke 24:46 He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
    47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
     
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    Interesting the reading of the ESV "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem" Instead of "καὶ", the older reading has the preposition, "εἰς", "for the forgiveness". the difference is important, as this shows that "repentance" leads to "forgiveness", and not "and", which does not have this connection. This also shows that "repentance" is not changing one's mind about "Jesus", but rather repentance from sins which leads to being forgiven.
     
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    Yes, there is a textual variant in the verse in question. But the textual evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of "και."

    "και" is attested to by the Uncials A C D L W Θ Ψ family 1.13 all the Byzantine manuscripts, and is cited by Cyprian (200-258AD).

    "εισ" is supported only by P-75, Aleph, and B. :)
     
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    The Greek witness for "εισ" is older with P75, early 3rd cent. But, we have the same Greek preposition used in relation to repentance, Matthew 12.41, "The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at (εισ) the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here", and Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for (εισ) the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". With Acts 3:19, "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord", it is evident that "repentance" is not merely "to change one's mind about Jesus Christ", which of course is necessary, but, "turning from sins" in acknowledgement of the need to be saved from them. When Jesus says in Mark 1:15, "repent and believe the Gospel", He was speaking of what John the Baptist had been saying all along, to "repent from one's personal sins".
     
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    Ryrie was saying that repentance and belief are synonymous. Not even two sides of the same coin, the same side of the coin.

    It's impossible to go from not believing to believing, and not have a change of mind.

    Believing the gospel doesn't "involve" or "include" a change of mind, believing the gospel IS the change of mind - from not having hoped in Christ, to now having hope in Christ. That's it.

    Furthermore, repent is not a theological word. Repent doesn't "mean" turn from sin. It can find application there, but repent simply means to have a change of mind, or change of thinking.

    If you look in your closet and find a green shirt, and you THINK it will look nice with some orange and purple polka dot pants, you might put it on. But as soon as you walk in front of a mirror, you'll most likely repent. You should have a CHANGE of thinking.

    You might even leave the house with that outfit on after being convinced it's ugly. You would still have a change of mind
     
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    Who says that it does not mean "turn from sin"? To "change one's mind" towards sin and accept that you are lost and in need of a Saviour, and turning to the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness, all means to "repent".
     
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    The apostle Paul said so....
    Romans 4:
    4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.

    5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

    6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

    7 Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven,
    And whose sins have been covered.

    8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”
     
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    What you have in mind is a system of works.
     
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    Read then what God says in Jonah:

    "Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it." (3:10)

    "works" here does not mean something "earned", but something "done", in that "they turned from their evil way", which is what "repenting" is. Too many Calvinists have corrupted the simple Gospel Message, with their "theological" rather than "Biblical" understanding, and try to force Scripture to say things that it does not. Like some will argue that "κόσμος" in John 3:16 means "elect", when it most certainly does NOT. But they will keep arguing this point because their "theology" says they must. Much like the Jehovah's Witnesses on John 1:1!
     
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    Completely wrong!
     
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    Ok, nice rant and self indictment.

    Corrupting a simple gospel message by muddling it with works. All for the evil one to snatch away the word to keep people from believing and being saved
     
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    I'm not wrong. You're telling people to turn from sin. How do you turn from sin without stopping sin?

    Romans 1:16
    The gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who behaves...right?
     
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    The sinner needs to repent of seeing that they have anything they can do to save themselves, repent and turn away from good works salvation and self effort, and trust unto Jesus alone...That is what the Spirit Himself produces in those whomGod intended to get saved by death of Christ.
     
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    John the Baptist meant two things about repentance:

    1) Change your mind (metanoia) about saving yourself and go 180 degrees to be saved of God.

    2) Distinct from this, is the "fruit" of repentance. He gave instructions to various kinds of people as to what they could do to show the "change of mind."

    But we are not saved by works (fruit). We are saved by faith. God's gift of repentance (see Paul) changes our thinking and opens the door to do works mentioned in Ephesians 2, after we are said to be saved by Grace though faith, as a gift. Any conditions on faith makes it not a gift but a trade.

    Remember, God predestines the Saints unto salvation in eternity past. God does it all. He puts into the hearts of the elect to receive Him. Cooperating with the Holy Spirit, changes who they are. This is the "fruit."

    Some will get saved by faith alone and then live for themselves. Calvin called these believers, "slothful." They will face believer's judgment at the bema seat and will be judged for what they have done (1 Corinthians 3).
     
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    They would be the ones that would get thru as if running thru a fire first!
     
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