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John Calvin on John 3:36

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AndyMartin, May 25, 2017.

  1. AndyMartin

    AndyMartin Active Member

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    "But he who believeth not in the Son. As he held out life in Christ, by the sweetness of which he might allure us, so now he adjudges to eternal death all who do not believe in Christ. And, in this way, he magnifies the kindness of God, when he warns us, that there is no other way of escaping death, unless Christ deliver us; for this sentence depends on the fact, that we are all accursed in Adam. Now if it be the office of Christ to save what was lost, they who reject the salvation offered in him are justly suffered to remain in death. We have just now said that this belongs peculiarly to those who reject the gospel which has been revealed to them; for though all mankind are involved in the same destruction, yet a heavier and double vengeance awaits those who refuse to have the Son of God as their deliverer. And, indeed, it cannot be doubted that the Baptist, when he denounced death against unbelievers, intended to excite us, by the dread of it, to the exercise of faith in Christ. It is also manifest; that all the righteousness which the world thinks that it has out of Christ is condemned and reduced to nothing. Nor is any one enabled to object that it is unjust that those who are otherwise devout and holy should perish, because they do not believe; for it is folly to imagine that there is any holiness in men, unless it have been given to them by Christ."

    Note here, Calvin very clearly says, that people are lost for "rejecting the gospel", and "who refuse to have the Son of God as their deliverer". This can only be possible, if these have "free will". It does not say that they "could not" accept "the salvation offered", but that they "did not". Big difference. Which is what Jesus says in John 5:40, "yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life", again, not because of it being impossible for them to accept, but that they "chose" not to! The second reference from Calvin is what we read in 2 Peter 2:1, "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction"

    As I have said before, Calvinism is more inconsistent with what the Bible teaches!
     
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    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Sinners willfully reject Jesus to save them!
     
  3. AndyMartin

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    Yes, but "Calvinism" denies the "free will" in man to do this!
     
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    Bingo...
     
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    Calvin did not say they were "lost" for rejecting the gospel, but judged and condemned. He said they were already lost because of Adam's sin.
     
  6. Calv1

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    HAS THIS [Name calling edited] EVER READ THE BIBLE? EVER STUDIED REFORMED THEOLOGY? I CAN ANSWER, IT'S NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    OF COURSE THEY FREELY REJECT THE GOSPEL, how does that mean they have free will? You are one confused man. They CANNOT COME TO THE GOSPEL, as Jesus said in John 6:40, "You are UNABLE to come to me unless the Father who sent me draw Him.....ALL who are drawed WILL COME".

    So yes, someone like you is offered the gospel, offered the truth, and you reject it, because the nature is SIN, that's not FREE WILL, that's BONDAGE, scripture says we are IN BONDAGE TO SIN.

    [Name calling hissy fit edited]
     
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