The Mark of the Beast, the Name of the Beast or the Number of its Name, and 666

[christiang]

This study goes over what the mark of the beast is in its two forms, the "name of the beast" and the "number of its name", and what it means to receive the mark on the forehead or the right hand. Also explains what 666 means. The study can be found in English here The Mark of the Beast, the Name of the Beast or the Number of its Name, and 666 | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here La Marca de la Bestia, el Nombre de la Bestia o el Número de su Nombre, y 666 | Sabiduria de Dios , let us begin a discussion on this matter here.

 

[Jason1]

This study goes over what the mark of the beast is in its two forms, the "name of the beast" and the "number of its name", and what it means to receive the mark on the forehead or the right hand. Also explains what 666 means. The study can be found in English here The Mark of the Beast, the Name of the Beast or the Number of its Name, and 666 | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here La Marca de la Bestia, el Nombre de la Bestia o el Número de su Nombre, y 666 | Sabiduria de Dios , let us begin a discussion on this matter here.

To find out what the mark of the beast is, you need to know what the mark of YHVH is:

Exo 31:12 And יהוה spoke to Mosheh, saying,
Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of יהוה setting us apart, the only sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them being the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
Exo 31:14 ‘And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death.
Exo 31:16 ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
Exo 31:17 ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
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We see that the 7th day sabbath is a sign of who His people are because they honor the Creator on the ordained day. They also keep the Lev 23 feasts which are also known as sabbaths and show His plan of salvation.

The word sign can also have these definitions:

Probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.​

So the sabbath is a "Mark" upon His people. Also, keeping all the words of Elohim is a sign (which I could post many verses about this). It shows who truly believes in Him and follows Him.

The mark of YHVH = Sabbath and obedience

The mark of the beast = disobedience and false sabbaths

 

[christiang]

To find out what the mark of the beast is, you need to know what the mark of YHVH is:

Exo 31:12 And יהוה spoke to Mosheh, saying,
Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of יהוה setting us apart, the only sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them being the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
Exo 31:14 ‘And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death.
Exo 31:16 ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
Exo 31:17 ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
​

We see that the 7th day sabbath is a sign of who His people are because they honor the Creator on the ordained day. They also keep the Lev 23 feasts which are also known as sabbaths and show His plan of salvation.

The word sign can also have these definitions:

Probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.​

So the sabbath is a "Mark" upon His people. Also, keeping all the words of Elohim is a sign (which I could post many verses about this). It shows who truly believes in Him and follows Him.

The mark of YHVH = Sabbath and obedience

The mark of the beast = disobedience and false sabbaths

The disciples of Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath by picking up grain,

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. (Matthew 12:1 [NIV])

In the same manner that this man broke the Sabbath and was subsequently put to death,

While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day... Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32-25 [NIV])

So obviously the mark of God is not keeping the Sabbath, but rather, the mark of God IS the holy spirit, as it is said,

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, (Ephesians 1:13 [NIV])

 

[Jason1]

The disciples of Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath by picking up grain,

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. (Matthew 12:1 [NIV])

In the same manner that this man broke the Sabbath and was subsequently put to death,

While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day... Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32-25 [NIV])

So obviously the mark of God is not keeping the Sabbath, but rather, the mark of God IS the holy spirit, as it is said,

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, (Ephesians 1:13 [NIV])

No, this is wrong. They were not harvesting, but merely picking something to eat as they went by (not work). What they broke were oral laws of the pharisees because they made the sabbath hard and burdensome (against scripture) with over 1000 laws.

Now your Num 15 reference would be correct if they were openly defying the Creator which they weren't.

The Spirit is only given to those who obey:

Act_5:32 “And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Elohim has given to those who obey Him.”1 Footnote: 1See 1 John 3:24.​

 

[christiang]

No, this is wrong. They were not harvesting, but merely picking something to eat as they went by (not work). What they broke were oral laws of the pharisees because they made the sabbath hard and burdensome (against scripture) with over 1000 laws.

Now your Num 15 reference would be correct if they were openly defying the Creator which they weren't.

The Spirit is only given to those who obey:

Act_5:32 “And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Elohim has given to those who obey Him.”1 Footnote: 1See 1 John 3:24.​

No, they transgressed against the command of the Sabbath, for even Jesus Christ alluded to the transgression,

He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? (Matthew 12:4-5 [NIV])

And this is because the weekly Sabbath is but a foreshadow of the true Sabbath, which the the millennial Sabbath, the last thousand years of his heaven and earth, wherein the chosen will fulfill the Sabbath by living in the time of the thousand year rulership of Jesus Christ on the earth.

Your understanding of the Sabbath is skewed, and you try to enforce an observance of the weekly Sabbath, that you likely do not even obey in accordance to how it must be observed in accordance to the Torah, such as not picking up sticks, nor even lighting a fire. Tell me, do you turn on the lights in your home? Do you turn on your car and drive? Do you pump gas on the Sabbath? Do you grocery shop on the Sabbath? I certainly hope not, for if by your lesser faith you believe you must observe the weekly Sabbath, then you are in fact sinning by breaking it by not observing in the manner it must actually be observed in accordance to the Law. But us, who are of greater belief than you, know what the weekly Sabbath foreshadows, and that doing work, or no work on the weekly Sabbath is not a sin against God.

There exists a good study on this very matter here The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed | Wisdom of God .

 

[Jason1]

No, they transgressed against the command of the Sabbath, for even Jesus Christ alluded to the transgression,

He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? (Matthew 12:4-5 [NIV])

And this is because the weekly Sabbath is but a foreshadow of the true Sabbath, which the the millennial Sabbath, the last thousand years of his heaven and earth, wherein the chosen will fulfill the Sabbath by living in the time of the thousand year rulership of Jesus Christ on the earth.

Your understanding of the Sabbath is skewed, and you try to enforce an observance of the weekly Sabbath, that you likely do not even obey in accordance to how it must be observed in accordance to the Torah, such as not picking up sticks, nor even lighting a fire. Tell me, do you turn on the lights in your home? Do you turn on your car and drive? Do you pump gas on the Sabbath? Do you grocery shop on the Sabbath? I certainly hope not, for if by your lesser faith you believe you must observe the weekly Sabbath, then you are in fact sinning by breaking it by not observing in the manner it must actually be observed in accordance to the Law. But us, who are of greater belief than you, know what the weekly Sabbath foreshadows, and that doing work, or no work on the weekly Sabbath is not a sin against God.

There exists a good study on this very matter here The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed | Wisdom of God .

You call obedience "lesser faith"? So a "greater faith" willfully breaks the sabbath and changes it to a different day? Maybe makes it a day to mow the lawn? This is called a worthless faith in actuality.

The 7th day sabbath is eternal, from the beginning, written in stone, and as you said, foreshadowing a rest in the end. We are to do no manner of work nor buy and sell.

 

[christiang]

You call obedience "lesser faith"? So a "greater faith" willfully breaks the sabbath and changes it to a different day? Maybe makes it a day to mow the lawn? This is called a worthless faith in actuality.

The 7th day sabbath is eternal, from the beginning, written in stone, and as you said, foreshadowing a rest in the end. We are to do no manner of work nor buy and sell.

Apparently you have not read the writings of my fellow and beloved brother Paul, and he wrote,

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. (Romans 14:1-6 [NIV])

Now, if you are persuaded that you must observe the Sabbath, since your belief is lesser, then do so, but be sure to observe it exactly as mandated by Law, and in its proper time (not Sunday, but Friday around 6pm to Saturday around 6pm), AND, do not judge those who are of greater belief that are convinced that they do not need to observe the Sabbath, otherwise you yourself will be found guilty of sin for passing on judgment upon someone whom the Lord has accepted and deems innocent.

 

[Jason1]

Apparently you have not read the writings of my fellow and beloved brother Paul, and he wrote,

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. (Romans 14:1-6 [NIV])

Now, if you are persuaded that you must observe the Sabbath, since your belief is lesser, then do so, but be sure to observe it exactly as mandated by Law, and in its proper time (not Sunday, but Friday around 6pm to Saturday around 6pm), AND, do not judge those who are of greater belief that are convinced that they do not need to observe the Sabbath, otherwise you yourself will be found guilty of sin for passing on judgment upon someone whom the Lord has accepted and deems innocent.

You are misunderstanding Paul. First off, Paul cannot annul any eternal laws of Elohim (Deu 4:2). What he is talking about is something else such as people's own understandings on vegetarianism and their own days they observe in addition to the eternal Lev 23 dates.

If you don't observe according to the law you are a sinner (1 john 3:4). Also, we are commanded to rebuke others who have gone astray from torah (Lev 19:17) and ARE to judge according to the written word (not the iffy stuff). Sabbath observance is required to those in covenant. If you are persuaded not to observe it, you are not in covenant.

 

[christiang]

You are misunderstanding Paul. First off, Paul cannot annul any eternal laws of Elohim (Deu 4:2). What he is talking about is something else such as people's own understandings on vegetarianism and their own days they observe in addition to the eternal Lev 23 dates.

If you don't observe according to the law you are a sinner (1 john 3:4). Also, we are commanded to rebuke others who have gone astray from torah (Lev 19:17) and ARE to judge according to the written word (not the iffy stuff). Sabbath observance is required to those in covenant. If you are persuaded not to observe it, you are not in covenant.

The Law is not eternal, it is aeonial. For even Jesus Christ spoke, "UNTIL heaven and earth vanishes away, not one jot or one title of the Law will fall...". In which case, once this heaven and earth vanishes, then the Law will also vanish, for you cannot have a Law of death in a new heaven and new earth where death will no longer exist. As such, the Law has indeed NOT been abolished YET, so EVERY single command of the Law must still be obeyed. Yet in this Law, there exists commands that are SHADOWS, which are fulfilled by observing the realities each foreshadowed, in the NEW COVENANT,

1. Passover lamb requirement = Jesus Christ as the reality of the passover lamb.
2. Festival of Unleavened Bread = reality to put away sin.
3. Festival of First Fruits = reality of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
4. Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) = reality of the giving forth of the holy spirit.
5. Festival of Trumpets = reality of the second coming of Jesus Christ with the sound of trumpets.
6. Day of Atonement = reality of the gathering of the elect from all over the world.
7. Festival of Booths = reality of the time the elect will begin to live in the encampment that will exist in Israel for them.
8. Seventh Day Sabbath = reality of the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ that corresponds with the last thousand years of the full seven thousand years for this heaven and earth to exist.
9 Circumcision of the flesh = reality of the circumcision of the heart to discard your sinful nature (foreskin of the heart), and free you from sin.
10. Abstinence from foods = reality to not yoke together with unbelievers, for the behaviors of unclean animals symbolize the behaviors of ungodly men.

Clearly you do not understand shadow command if you are still telling others that they are obligated to observe certain commands of the Law (such as the Sabbath) that have already been identified as shadows by Jesus Christ and the apostles.

 

[Jason1]

The Law is not eternal, it is aeonial. For even Jesus Christ spoke, "UNTIL heaven and earth vanishes away, not one jot or one title of the Law will fall...". In which case, once this heaven and earth vanishes, then the Law will also vanish, for you cannot have a Law of death in a new heaven and new earth where death will no longer exist. As such, the Law has indeed NOT been abolished YET, so EVERY single command of the Law must still be obeyed. Yet in this Law, there exists commands that are SHADOWS, which are fulfilled by observing the realities each foreshadowed, in the NEW COVENANT,

1. Passover lamb requirement = Jesus Christ as the reality of the passover lamb.
2. Festival of Unleavened Bread = reality to put away sin.
3. Festival of First Fruits = reality of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
4. Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) = reality of the giving forth of the holy spirit.
5. Festival of Trumpets = reality of the second coming of Jesus Christ with the sound of trumpets.
6. Day of Atonement = reality of the gathering of the elect from all over the world.
7. Festival of Booths = reality of the time the elect will begin to live in the encampment that will exist in Israel for them.
8. Seventh Day Sabbath = reality of the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ that corresponds with the last thousand years of the full seven thousand years for this heaven and earth to exist.
9 Circumcision of the flesh = reality of the circumcision of the heart to discard your sinful nature (foreskin of the heart), and free you from sin.
10. Abstinence from foods = reality to not yoke together with unbelievers, for the behaviors of unclean animals symbolize the behaviors of ungodly men.

Clearly you do not understand shadow command if you are still telling others that they are obligated to observe certain commands of the Law (such as the Sabbath) that have already been identified as shadows by Jesus Christ and the apostles.

Oh, i understand the shadow pictures, I just don't do away with them when I know the substance. That totally is a backwards message by doing so and contrary to scripture. If you're obeying different laws (exp sunday sabbath) then you are worshiping a different substance.

All of those 10 your listed are still in effect and should be done. Each does paint a message and continues to do so even when we know the meanings.

So if you agree every single law should be obeyed still, then why are you also advocating disobedience to parts of it?

 

[christiang]

Oh, i understand the shadow pictures, I just don't do away with them when I know the substance. That totally is a backwards message by doing so and contrary to scripture. If you're obeying different laws (exp sunday sabbath) then you are worshiping a different substance.

All of those 10 your listed are still in effect and should be done. Each does paint a message and continues to do so even when we know the meanings.

So if you agree every single law should be obeyed still, then why are you also advocating disobedience to parts of it?

This is not "a backwards message", this is what the apostles taught, hence,

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17 [NIV])

If righteousness were achieved by observing festivals and Sabbaths, then I would be right there with you, but that simply isn't so. You are a modern day Judaizer. Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God

 

[Jason1]

This is not "a backwards message", this is what the apostles taught, hence,

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17 [NIV])

If righteousness were achieved by observing festivals and Sabbaths, then I would be right there with you, but that simply isn't so. You are a modern day Judaizer. Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God

He's not saying, "Don't let anyone judge you for not keeping them". He is saying, "Don't let anybody judge you HOW you're keeping them". Paul came to show that torah doesn't need to be kept according to oral law, but according to written law.

This is a totally different understanding than the church teaches, but is totally in line with the whole of scripture. Otherwise you say Paul can add or subtract from torah which is a sin (Deu 4:2).

Keeping the torah is righteousness:

Deu_6:25 ‘And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Elohim, as He has commanded us.’
Deu_16:20 “Follow righteousness, righteousness alone, so that you live and inherit the land which יהוה your Elohim is giving you.​

(nobody being declared righteous by works of the law = oral law)

 

[Jason1]

Just stumbled upon another good reference:

Hos 14:9 Who is wise and understands these words, discerning and knows them? For the ways of יהוה are straight, and the righteous walk in them, but the transgressors stumble in them.

 

[christiang]

He's not saying, "Don't let anyone judge you for not keeping them". He is saying, "Don't let anybody judge you HOW you're keeping them". Paul came to show that torah doesn't need to be kept according to oral law, but according to written law.

This is a totally different understanding than the church teaches, but is totally in line with the whole of scripture. Otherwise you say Paul can add or subtract from torah which is a sin (Deu 4:2).

Keeping the torah is righteousness:

Deu_6:25 ‘And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Elohim, as He has commanded us.’
Deu_16:20 “Follow righteousness, righteousness alone, so that you live and inherit the land which יהוה your Elohim is giving you.​

(nobody being declared righteous by works of the law = oral law)

Thats absurd, tell me, is there "a way", aka "how", to eat or not to eat pork? Either you eat pork, or you don't. Paul was clearly speaking of NOT observing these commands, "do not let anyone judge what you eat", to mean do not let anyone judge you if you eat pork (for example).

 

[Jason1]

Thats absurd, tell me, is there "a way", aka "how", to eat or not to eat pork? Either you eat pork, or you don't. Paul was clearly speaking of NOT observing these commands, "do not let anyone judge what you eat", to mean do not let anyone judge you if you eat pork (for example).

Paul wasn't talking about pork here. He was talking about restrictions of oral law. If you would keep reading the chapter it says this:

Col 2:20 If, then, you died with Messiah from the elementary matters of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations: Footnote: 1See v. 8, and Gal. 4:3 & 9.
Col 2:21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle” –
Col 2:22 which are all to perish with use – according to the commands and teachings of men?

You claim Paul was pushing for lawless behavior, when in fact he was pushing for lawful behavior according to written word, not oral pharisaical law. If Paul was teaching lawlessness, none of us should listen to a word he has to say.

 

[christiang]

Paul wasn't talking about pork here. He was talking about restrictions of oral law. If you would keep reading the chapter it says this:

Col 2:20 If, then, you died with Messiah from the elementary matters of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations: Footnote: 1See v. 8, and Gal. 4:3 & 9.
Col 2:21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle” –
Col 2:22 which are all to perish with use – according to the commands and teachings of men?

You claim Paul was pushing for lawless behavior, when in fact he was pushing for lawful behavior according to written word, not oral pharisaical law. If Paul was teaching lawlessness, none of us should listen to a word he has to say.

The observation of these commands in the literal manner they were given BECAME the teachings of men, hence why Jesus Christ said, "it is not what goes inside a man that makes him unclean, but what comes out of him". Tell me, do you sacrifice a lamb on the Passover even though the Passover lamb has already been sacrificed? Have you put away all sin to fulfill the Festival of Unleavened bread? Do you pitch a tent to observe the Festival of Tabernacles?

 

[Jason1]

The observation of these commands in the literal manner they were given BECAME the teachings of men, hence why Jesus Christ said, "it is not what goes inside a man that makes him unclean, but what comes out of him". Tell me, do you sacrifice a lamb on the Passover even though the Passover lamb has already been sacrificed? Have you put away all sin to fulfill the Festival of Unleavened bread? Do you pitch a tent to observe the Festival of Tabernacles?

The teachings of men was additions (or fence) around the torah that made the commands a burden. The actual written commands were not teachings of men, but teachings of Elohim. You really need to rethink this because Elohim's laws are still in force and binding (matt 5). Anyone who teaches otherwise will be called least in the kingdom. Is that really what you want?

I would sacrifice a lamb in accordance to the law if I was in israel and they had a temple. Scripture says we can't do it anywhere we please, but only where He puts His name. It would be a reminder of what was accomplished just as it was a reminder to what happened in the first passover.

Yes, I pitch a tent during sukkot. It is only commanded for the native born, but we do it to celebrate the feast day.

 

[christiang]

The teachings of men was additions (or fence) around the torah that made the commands a burden. The actual written commands were not teachings of men, but teachings of Elohim. You really need to rethink this because Elohim's laws are still in force and binding (matt 5). Anyone who teaches otherwise will be called least in the kingdom. Is that really what you want?

I would sacrifice a lamb in accordance to the law if I was in israel and they had a temple. Scripture says we can't do it anywhere we please, but only where He puts His name. It would be a reminder of what was accomplished just as it was a reminder to what happened in the first passover.

Yes, I pitch a tent during sukkot. It is only commanded for the native born, but we do it to celebrate the feast day.

I never said the Law was abolished, I said that the manner that shadow is observed has changed in the new covenant, and that each of the festivals are fulfilled in realities found in Jesus Christ. Do you understand that Jesus Christ was the true Passover lamb?

 

[Jason1]

I never said the Law was abolished, I said that the manner that shadow is observed has changed in the new covenant, and that each of the festivals are fulfilled in realities found in Jesus Christ. Do you understand that Jesus Christ was the true Passover lamb?

Absolutely, but that doesn't mean the command has changed, nor the observance of it. The passover was to be a "remembrance" of leaving egypt, and now it has an added remembrance of Yeshua. So each time you celebrate it now it is even greater in meaning.

 

[christiang]

Absolutely, but that doesn't mean the command has changed, nor the observance of it. The passover was to be a "remembrance" of leaving egypt, and now it has an added remembrance of Yeshua. So each time you celebrate it now it is even greater in meaning.

But you yourself stated,

I would sacrifice a lamb in accordance to the law if I was in israel and they had a temple. Scripture says we can't do it anywhere we please, but only where He puts His name.

So clearly you are not observing the Passover as was mandated by the Law, even though you are observing Sukkot. Are you aware that the Law even mandates those who are far away on a journey, or even unclean, that they must still observe the Passover?

"Tell the Israelites: 'When any of you or your descendants are unclean because of a dead body or are away on a journey, they are still to celebrate the LORD's Passover, (Numbers 9:10 [NIV])

So it has nothing to do with the existence of the temple or not, or whether you are near the temple or not, you must kill a lamb and eat it as commanded, otherwise you are in sin, because you yourself still believe that these commands must still be observed. However, we who are of greater belief, know that the Passover lamb has already been sacrificed,

Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:7 [NIV])