Featured Spiritual understanding - part 9

Both... Brother Glen

I Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

"Covenanter

We can just stay at it. Dispensationalists cannot contribute as their theology does not have room for these ideas.

No they did not as they were mostly off topic.

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Kyred has asked him dozens of times to work on it, but to no avail.

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It has already began but we also look forward to being face to face.
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

Part of what causes such division might not be hermeneutic based difference.
In most churches our presentation of the gospel might not be biblical at all.
We see that in the endless evangelism threads with an appeal to shallow methodology.
The good news in the NT. ....was the prophesied Kingdom of all the prophets was here in the person of the King.
Peter's first good news sermon was Joel2,psalm 16,2sam5,and psalm 110...
No Romans road, no four spiritual flaws, no repeat after me.....just Kingdom preaching urging sinners to repent and believe.

 

People like to procrastinate.Telling them that the actual Kingdom is future allows many to avoid focusing on the labor in the vineyard to which we are called.

 

That is the failing of so many pilgrims... I like the way Bunyan illustrates it... We are pilgrims on a journey to the city whose builder and maker is God... So many times in our journey we meet with other pilgrims who will either in their conversations will drag us down into the valley... Their are others who in our conversations with them will take us to the peaks of the mountains... And so many others in between in the character of how they see and understand Jesus Christ the Son Of the Most High God and our Savior... But all the pilgrims are headed to the same city... There is a secular song I heard and it make a lot of sense, by Bob Dylan... Gotta Serve Somebody... If you are not in the Kingdom right now serving Jesus Christ and waiting for a Kingdom to come that is the culmination and completion of the one Jesus set up... Who are you serving?... That is the question that should be addressed to the futurist... There is a song I led in church which you will like which is titled Here In The Vineyard... I will just post the first two stanzas... Brother Glen

Here in the vineyard of my Lord, I love to live and labor
And be obedient to my God, until my dying hour.

 

Nice solid post. A correct view of eschatology leads to such service;
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

 

When were all things put under Christ though, as isis still chopping off heads!

 

And just what does Romans 8 tell us, that we have in Christ, pertaining to Isa 62?

The Spirit of adoption. The very Spirit that sets us apart, sanctify's for, the hope. Hope??? What does Eph 1 tell us of this Spirit?
The earnest of, until? When does, until, become the reality? 2 Cor 5, the earnest of the Spirit?

I have a question. Does 2 Cor 5:5 relative to 2 Cor 4 thru 5:4 and really on through chapter 5, imply and or state, something was wrought in Christ that we also, shall obtain and we have been given the Spirit which gives us confidence of that taking place?

Is that the, mansion, the dwelling place spoken of in John 14?

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:Heb 10:5

What body was prepared for him? Is it the selfsame thing wrought for us?

Why do we, "groan within ourselves"?

 

A friend sent me a link....part of it said-

 

Here is the part you have correct.

For us in Christ.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:2
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.Romans 8:17

Christ, the heir, has inherited we the joint heirs are just that, currently we are just heirs and not yet inheritors.

That is inclusive of the kingdom of God.

For us heirs, in Christ.the inheritor.

 

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

In this parable in Luke 19...spoken just before the truimphal entry we are told why Jesus spoke this parable.
In light of this and what happens as he ascends to Jerusalem,what application do you see in the wording of verse 13?

13 and having called ten servants of his own, he gave to them ten pounds, and said unto them,
Do business -- till I come;

What Business would that be?

 

JcRyle offers this;
As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’

The occasion of our Lord speaking the parable before us, is clear and plain. It was intended to correct the false expectations of the disciples on the subject of Christ's kingdom. It was a prophetical sketch of things present and things to come, which ought to raise solemn thoughts in the minds of all professing Christians.

We see, for one thing, in this parable, the present position of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is compared to "a certain nobleman, who went into a far country, to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return."

RYLE see's it as yet future;
When the Lord Jesus left the world, He ascended up into heaven as a conqueror, leading captivity captive. He is there sitting at the right hand of God, doing the work of a High Priest for His believing people, and ever making intercession for them. But He will not sit there always. He will come forth from the holy of holies to bless His people. He will come again with power and glory to put down every enemy under His feet, and to set up His universal kingdom on earth. At present "we see not all things put under Him." The devil is the "prince of this world." (Heb. 2:8; John 14:30.) But the present state of things shall be changed one day. When Christ returns, the kingdoms of the world shall become His.


But then he gives a correct application to the church anyway.....

Let these things sink down into our minds. In all our thoughts about Christ, let us never forget His second advent. It is well to know that He lived for us, and died for us, and rose again for us, and intercedes for us. But it is also well to know that He is soon coming again.

We see, for another thing, in this parable, the present position of all professing Christians. Our Lord compares them to servants who have been left in charge of money by an absent master, with strict directions to use that money well. They are to "occupy until He comes."

The countless privileges which Christians enjoy, compared to the heathen, are "pounds" given to them by Christ, for which they must one day give account. We shall not stand side by side in the judgment day with the African and Chinese, who never heard of the Bible, the Trinity, and the crucifixion. The most of us, it may be feared, have little idea of the extent of our responsibility. To whomsoever much is given, of them much will be required.

Are we "occupying?" Are we living like men who know to whom they are indebted, and to whom they must one day give account? This is the only life which is worthy of a reasonable being. The best answer we can give to those who invite us to plunge into worldliness and frivolity, is the Master's commandment which is before us. Let us tell them that we cannot consent, because we look for the coming of the Lord. We would gladly be found "occupying" when He comes.

We see, for another thing, in this parable, the certain reckoning which awaits all professing Christians. We are told that when the master returned, he "commanded his servants to be called, that he might know how much every man had gained."

 

Israel still has that promised Kingdom yet to come per Jesus, just not part of the plan in this Age!
And the term restoring all things would refer toall that God had promised israel, as paul also mentions how much greater will it be when the Jews return to Jesus and get saved on the national level!

 

True! I've thought that myself! Lil' ol' me.