Reformed Churches Join Catholic-Lutheran Accord Regarding Justification

[Yeshua1]

No unhappy people in my church brother. We are bound to the church Jesus Christ started here on earth, and thus bound to Him. The fact is, yours didn't show up until hundreds, upon hundreds, upon hundreds of years later.

We showed up at the first Baptist church of Jerusalem, as they would have had our Theology pretty much, and they would have known from the teaching of the Apostles in their midst to view the RCC as a false church and false Gospel!

Baptists have a far better claim to better the churches holding to what Jesus and Apostles held with than Rome!

 

[Bro. James]

See: www.onefold.wordpress.com/early-church-evidence-refutes-real-presence

Also check out the bibliography.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus

Bro. James

 

[Walter]

We showed up at the first Baptist church of Jerusalem, as they would have had our Theology pretty much, and they would have known from the teaching of the Apostles in their midst to view the RCC as a false church and false Gospel!

Baptists have a far better claim to better the churches holding to what Jesus and Apostles held with than Rome!

And you have not one iota of proof to back this up. No historical proof whatsoever. Plenty of proof that other radical groups existed at the same time as the holy Catholic Church. But, absolutely nothing that resembled your Baptist Church. If there was any proof you would be quick to provide it.

 

[Adonia]

We showed up at the first Baptist church of Jerusalem, as they would have had our Theology pretty much, and they would have known from the teaching of the Apostles in their midst to view the RCC as a false church and false Gospel!

Baptists have a far better claim to better the churches holding to what Jesus and Apostles held with than Rome!

Never heard of it and such a thing only exists in the minds of people of certain Christian faith traditions to justify their doctrine of today. Christian orthodoxy which consisted of the belief in the seven sacraments was taught from the earliest days of the newly emerging Christian church and was believed by the vast majority of all Christendom.

 

[Adonia]

You are the one who denies what all Christians believed from the very beginning of Christianity.

Not so. The idea that Christ was not truly present in the Holy Eucharist did not come about until sometime after the Protestant Reformation as Martin Luther himself believed in this basic Christian teaching. That is the truth and any other claim is but a poor attempt at justification of your own Christian faith tradition. Your reject orthodox Christian teaching, it's that simple.

 

[utilyan]

See: www.onefold.wordpress.com/early-church-evidence-refutes-real-presence

Also check out the bibliography.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus

Bro. James

LOL, I DARE YOU to study church fathers. That means You study it, not have pastor billy-bob and uncle pops edit out the good parts.

 

[Bro. James]

I have studied many of the so-called church fathers. They are at best contradictory. It is still a fact that many of them have been quoted out of context to try to support someone's dogma.

This still boils to: the scripture is the sole authority on matters of the soul. Men have failed miserably in getting it right. Man has trouble getting rid of his manmade pagan heritage. It goes all the way back to Nimrod.

We must give an account of what we did with Jesus; not how we complied with a man made catechism.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[utilyan]

I have studied many of the so-called church fathers. They are at best contradictory. It is still a fact that many of them have been quoted out of context to try to support someone's dogma.

This still boils to: the scripture is the sole authority on matters of the soul. Men have failed miserably in getting it right. Man has trouble getting rid of his manmade pagan heritage. It goes all the way back to Nimrod.

We must give an account of what we did with Jesus; not how we complied with a man made catechism.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

There is a reason you are called PROTESTANT, Because the foundation of your faith is based on a 500 year old complaint.

This objection is just as old. Not a peep before.

" the scripture is the sole authority on matters of the soul."

You just called them "SO-CALLED" church fathers. Well without them you have no canon of scripture.

Show us the holy spirit inspired table of contents. Instead of person lazy and just hijacking someone else's canon of scripture. Show us how you with the holy spirit arrived to identify the bible.

The King James for example is a ANGLICAN bible do you submit to their authority? You have to trust their choice of manuscript and their proclamation that it is scripture.

Point is Bro. James, You don't have a bible. You have someone else's book they are not baptist, not by a long shot.

And worst then that you made up a rule for the bible that is not biblical.

Show us in the bible where it says "the scripture is the sole authority on matters of the soul."

Show us where it says that, so I can show you how to read. I don't think you comprehend words like profitable.

 

[Bro. James]

See: II Timothy 3:16, 17 in the Duay Confraternity if you like. Your scripture, even though seriously corrupted, has many vital truths which you override with a man made catechism. See also Ephesians 2:8-10.

Salvation is of the Lord. Man has not a clue--he thinks somehow he can earn heaven with sacraments.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Adonia]

See: II Timothy 3:16, 17 in the Duay Confraternity if you like. Your scripture, even though seriously corrupted, has many vital truths which you override with a man made catechism. See also Ephesians 2:8-10.

Salvation is of the Lord. Man has not a clue--he thinks somehow he can earn heaven with sacraments.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

No, not just a man made catechism, but a simple explanation, an expounding upon about what the Church believes and teaches about just about every facet of human life. The sacraments are just those sacred things that we do as we go through life, you know things like marriage and worship, the things that are holy. Surely you yourself do not reject those things, right?

 

[MennoSota]

Christian orthodoxy which consisted of the belief in the seven sacraments was taught from the earliest days of the newly emerging Christian church and was believed by the vast majority of all Christendom.

Show us the seven sacraments being taught in the Bible.

Don't bring in Roman church statements. They are worthless in this conversation. Use scripture and scripture alone.

I am curious to see what you come up with.

 

[Bro. James]

No, not just a man made catechism, but a simple explanation, an expounding upon about what the Church believes and teaches about just about every facet of human life. The sacraments are just those sacred things that we do as we go through life, you know things like marriage and worship, the things that are holy. Surely you yourself do not reject those things, right?

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I am talking about the seven sacraments that are proscribed to save the soul, especially the Eucharist. See Council of Trent. I was born and baptized Roman Catholic. I know first hand why these sacrosanct rituals are an abomination.

Turn to the real Jesus before it is too late.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Yeshua1]

And you have not one iota of proof to back this up. No historical proof whatsoever. Plenty of proof that other radical groups existed at the same time as the holy Catholic Church. But, absolutely nothing that resembled your Baptist Church. If there was any proof you would be quick to provide it.

All the proof needed are the scriptures themselves, as thefirst Christians had Baptist theology!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, not just a man made catechism, but a simple explanation, an expounding upon about what the Church believes and teaches about just about every facet of human life. The sacraments are just those sacred things that we do as we go through life, you know things like marriage and worship, the things that are holy. Surely you yourself do not reject those things, right?

We do not see them granting to us ANY additional grace, as salvation is complete in Christ period!

 

[Yeshua1]

There is a reason you are called PROTESTANT, Because the foundation of your faith is based on a 500 year old complaint.

This objection is just as old. Not a peep before.

" the scripture is the sole authority on matters of the soul."

You just called them "SO-CALLED" church fathers. Well without them you have no canon of scripture.

Show us the holy spirit inspired table of contents. Instead of person lazy and just hijacking someone else's canon of scripture. Show us how you with the holy spirit arrived to identify the bible.

The King James for example is a ANGLICAN bible do you submit to their authority? You have to trust their choice of manuscript and their proclamation that it is scripture.

Point is Bro. James, You don't have a bible. You have someone else's book they are not baptist, not by a long shot.

And worst then that you made up a rule for the bible that is not biblical.

Show us in the bible where it says "the scripture is the sole authority on matters of the soul."

Show us where it says that, so I can show you how to read. I don't think you comprehend words like profitable.

The entire canon of the 66 books were written and pretty much already recognized and in use when Apostle John died!

 

[Walter]

All the proof needed are the scriptures themselves, as thefirst Christians had Baptist theology!

The Church of Christ claims the first Christians held Church of Christ beliefs saying all the proof needed are the scriptures. You must both be right!

 

[Yeshua1]

The church of Christ claims the exact same thing! You must both be right!

The RCC claims that also! The proof is in the theology, as Church of Christ adds baptism requirement to Gospel, and Rome adds the Sacramental Grace system! Only I have the true Gospel viewpoint of the Bible....

 

[utilyan]

The entire canon of the 66 books were written and pretty much already recognized and in use when Apostle John died!

Actually you can read when Jesus and Apostles quote old testament its a different old testament then the one in your bible, with good reason. The bible Jesus and the Apostles used is called the Septuagint. Martin Luther decided to get a Jewish canon but the mistake is that he got a version anti-christian/anti gentile and established AFTER Jesus died.

And this is easily proven by looking at what the New testament quotes old testament and you look at your old testament and they say it totally different. But if you had a Septuagint it would match.

You are never going to hear a theologian speak badly about septuagint, Instead as time went on they hide it as footnotes, or end of the bible, and finally martin luther removed it.

Look for the original King James.....it has the septuigant books.

 

[Walter]

All the proof needed are the scriptures themselves, as thefirst Christians had Baptist theology!

Yes, I'm sure you believe just like the free will Baptist church down the street from us that believe you can lose your salvation. Right?

 

[Walter]

Show us the seven sacraments being taught in the Bible.

Don't bring in Roman church statements. They are worthless in this conversation. Use scripture and scripture alone.

I am curious to see what you come up with.

Confirmation:
Matthew 3:13-17
John 1:33-34
Acts 8:14-17; 10:38
Reconciliation:
Matthew 16:19; 18:18
John 20:22-23
Holy Orders:
Matthew 16:19; 18:18
John 13:3-15
John 19:22-23
Acts 1:15-26
Matrimony:
John 2:1-12
Anointing of the sick:
Matthew 4:23; 9:35;
Mark 6:13;
Luke 9:11;
Acts 10:38;
James 5:14-15
Eucharist:
Matthew 26:26-29;
Mark 14:22-25;
Luke 22:19-20;
1 Corinthians 11:23-25
Baptism:
Matthew 3:11;
Mark 1:4-8;
Luke 3:16;
John 3:1-21;
Acts 2:38; 11:15-17; 19:1-7; Ephesians 4:5;
1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:25-28; Colossians 2:12-13