Colossians 2, the "nailed it to his cross", what was "it"?

Same Apostle said also that such were some of you, in that "bad" group, but NOW have been washed by the blood of Christ, and John point is NOT that christians will never sin again, but that those lost very lifestyle is to sin!

 

I am fine with that - what am I missing? was I supposed to object??

 

True in 1 Cor 6 Paul points back to their own unsaved condition as he warns them in their saved condition - not to resort to such things -- not to be "deceived" into thinking that after having been saved - they can turn back to that sort of thing 'and still get heaven'.

The very thing I would think that Calvinism - most denies.

Not sure why you and Martin are so focused on pointing out this flaw in Calvinism as we find statements in 1Cor 6 that Calvinism does not survive.

 

??? I don't know what you just said there.

 

There have been a couple of responses to the posted exchange below which appear to fall short of doing anything to rescue Calvinism from the problem of 1Cor 6 and from the problem that "taking God's name in vain" is still a sin - even though the debt of sin is of course paid at the cross.

Care to try again??
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And yet - still a sin for us to "take God's name in vain".

and yet -- Paul writes this to the church -- by way of reprimand

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

And John writes -
1 John 3 - 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

 

Why do you think that Calvinists have a problem with 1 Cor. 6? I don't. And isn't the subject of this thread Col. 2?

 

I gave you a very clear answer, and I'm sorry that you don't like it, but it's the only one you're going to get.
It is no good demanding a 'yes or no' answer to questions that do not admit of a 'yes or no' answer.

 

You're problem. brother, is that you have salvation back to front. One is not saved by doing all God's will (Isaiah 64:6) because our very best efforts are tainted by sin and unacceptable to God. Salvation is seeing oneself as a lost and guilty sinner, seeing in the Lord Jesus as the one and only propitiation for sin and throwing oneself on His mercy in repentance and faith. Then the promises of Jeremiah 31:34b and Hebrews 8:10-12 become operative. God writes His righteous laws upon our hearts and we love to keep them. We also have the wonderful promise of 1 John 1:8-9, with which you seem strangely reluctant to engage. 'If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.' I see no qualification there, whether you say, 'all sins absolutely' or, 'all manner of sins.'

'For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing' (Galatians 2:21).

 

There are NO verses that support those once washed by the blood are falling back totally into their prior lives and sinning in same way as before!

 

The saved still sin, but that is against their new natures, while the lost are sinning due to their very natures!

 

On the contrary, Paul is pointing out that it is impossible for those who have been not only washed, but also sanctified (set apart by God for holy works) and justified (declared righteous by God) to return to their sinful ways. It is the dog that returns to its vomit and the washed sow that returns to wallowing in the mire (2 Peter 2:22). They show themselves to be unchanged in their natures- still dogs, still sows.
Professing Christians who turn back permanently to sin prove themselves never to have been Christians at all (1 John 2:4; 3:9 NIV). So Paul warns the Corinthians, 'Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know that Jesus Christ in in you?-- Unless indeed you are disqualified' (2 Cor. 13:5). Someone who goes on sinning is not a Christian, and never has been, and one day he will hear Christ say to him, "I never knew you." Not, "I knew you once and then forgot about you."

 

Brother Martin I found this tidbit reading the Treasury of David this morning... It is to relation to Psalms 143:10 and I thought it might fit very well into this conversation... Brother Glen

Verse 10. Teach me to do thy will. He saith not, Teach me to know thy will, but to do thy will. God teaches us in three ways. First, by his word. Secondly, he illuminates our minds by the Spirit. Thirdly, he imprints it in our hearts and maketh us obedient to the same; for the servant who knoweth the will of his master, and doeth it not, shall be beaten with many stripes: Luke 12:47 . --Archibald Symson.
Verse 10. Teach me to do thy will. We are to pray that God would teach us to know, and then teach us to do, his will. Knowledge without obedience is lame, obedience without knowledge is blind; and we must never hope for acceptance if we offer the blind and the lame to God. --Vincent Alsop (-1703), in "The Morning Exercises."
Verse 10. Teach me to do thy will. The Lord doth no sooner call his people to, himself, but as soon as ever he hath thus crowned them with these glorious privileges, and given them any sense and feeling of them, them they immediately cry out, O Lord, what shall I now do for thee? How shall I now live to thee? They know now that they are no more their own, but his; and therefore should now live to him.
It is true indeed obedience to the law is not required of us now as it was of Adam; it was required of him as a condition antecedent to life, but of those that be in Christ it is required only as a duty consequent to life, or as a rule of life, that seeing he hath purchased our lives in redemption, and actually given us life in vocation and sanctification, we should now live unto him, in all thankful and fruitful obedience, according to his will revealed in the moral law. It is a vain thing to imagine that our obedience is to have no other rule but the Spirit, without an attendance to the law: the Spirit is indeed the efficient cause of our obedience, and hence we are said to be "led by the Spirit" ( Romans 8:14 ); but it is not properly the rule of our obedience, but the will of God revealed in his word, especially in the law, is the rule; the Spirit is the wind that drives us in our obedience; the law is our compass, according to which it steers our course for us: the Spirit and the law, the wind and the compass, can stand well together. Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God (there is David's rule, viz., God's will revealed); Thy Spirit is good (there is David's wind, that enabled him to steer his course according to it). The Spirit of life doth free us from the law of sin and death; but not from the holy, and pure, and good, and righteous law of God. Romans 8:1-3 . --Thomas Shepherd, in "The Sound Believer", 1671.
Verse 10. Teach me to do thy will, etc. We are inclined and enabled to good by the sanctifying Spirit. In the Christian religion, not only the precepts are good, but there goeth along with them the power of God to make us good. Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy Spirit is good. The Spirit's direction hath strength joined with it. And he is a good Spirit, as he doth incline us to good. The Spirit is the only fountain of all goodness and holiness: Nehemiah 9:20 , "Thou gavest also thy good Spirit to instruct them." Why is he so often called the good Spirit, but that all his operations tend to make men good and holy? Ephesians 5:9 , "The fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth." -- Thomas Manton.
Verse 10. Thy Spirit is good; lead me, says the Psalmist. And therefore it is a usual phrase in Romans 8:1-39 , and Galatians 4:1-31 , our being led by the Spirit. --Thomas Goodwin.
Verse 10. Lead me into the land of uprightness, into the communion of saints, that pleasant land of the upright; or into a settled course of holy living, which will lead to heaven, that land of uprightness, where holiness will be in perfection, and he that is holy will be holy still. We should desire to be led and kept safe to heaven, not only because it is a land of blessedness, but because it is a land of uprightness; it is the perfection of grace. -- Matthew Henry.
Verse 10. Lead me. Man by nature is as a cripple and blind, he cannot go upright unless he be led by a superior spirit; yea, he must be carried as an eagle carrieth her little ones, or as a mother her tender child. Think not that we can step one right step to heaven but by the conduct and convoy of God's Holy Spirit. Miserable are those who go without his conduction. --Archibald Symson.
Verse 10. The land of uprightness. Mishor is the name for the smooth upland downs of Moab ( Deuteronomy 3:10 Joshua 13:17 20:8 Jeremiah 48:8 Jeremiah 48:21 ). Derived from the root "yashar", "even, level plain", it naturally came to be used figuratively for equity, right, righteous, and uprightness. Malachi 2:6 Isaiah 11:4 Psalms 45:7 67:5 143:10. --Cunningham Geikie, in "Hours with the Bible", 1884.
Verse 10. The land of uprightness. The land of plainness, a land where no wickedness of men, and malice of Satan, vex the soul from day to day; a land where no rough paths and crooked turns lengthen out the traveller's weary journey (see Psalms 143:5 ); but where all is like the smooth pasture lands of Reuben ( Deuteronomy 3:10 Joshua 13:9 ), a fit place for flocks to lie down. --Andrew A. Bonar.

 

And yet - still a sin for us to "take God's name in vain".

and yet -- Paul writes this to the church -- by way of reprimand

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

And John writes -
1 John 3 - 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

You have "quoted you" pretty well there - now let's look at what Paul really says - is it "you are doing so well-- because you cannot return to sinful ways"??

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another.

Not of the form you speculated for us -- "you are doing so well..."

1 Cor 6
"Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!

Not of the form you speculated for us -- "you are doing so well..."

1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Reminder and warning -- not of the form "you don't need this warning"
Warnding against "being deceived" into thinking you can be doing what you are doing and "still get heaven"

Bible details "matter"

 

True.

But notice in 1 Cor 6 what Paul says to them "do not be deceived" into thinking you are still going to "get heaven for that"

 

What keeps a saved sinner out from getting to Heaven?

 

Wonderful! I never heard of Archibald Symson in my life before, but he's right on the money!
The Treasury of david is great! Good old Spurgeon!

 

Why don't you open a new thread on 1 Corinthians 6 since it bothers you so much? If you do, I will certainly take time to explain it to you.
This thread is about Col. 2. The clue is in the title.

 

"NOTHING!"... Brother Glen

There was an Old English preacher by the name of William Huntington and always signed his correspondence William Huntington S.S (Sinner Saved)... He knew he was a sinner but he also knew, he was saved one... And he also knew this... That the LORD knows his SAVED children... This scripture talks about the responsibility of SAVED children, not reprobates.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.