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Featured NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jul 20, 2017.

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  1. Reynolds

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    Comical. I do not cry out against God. I simply do not accept your flawed view of Him. You say the same things over and over. I accept God as scripture portrays Him. If you want to deal with Satan's fall I might give your extremely flawed interpretation of Gods Sovereignty more serious consideration. Of course, you would then need to deal with Adam. No Calvinist has logically dealt with either.
     
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    The very first set of Csb notes on this passage were correct!
     
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    How have we not done so?
     
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    In this passage (Ephesians 1:3-9) Paul lists the blessings born anew believers now positionally sanctified in Christ, have received: First, God’s redemption plan formulated before creation included both His Redeemer (Christ) and those who would be redeemed (us). Next, we would be made blameless and holy as a new creation in Christ. Our third listed blessing is that we are predestined for adoption, the redemption of our bodies at Christ’s second coming. Forth, our sins are forgiven through the blood of His Lamb. Finally, with the indwelling of the Helper, He made known to us the mystery of His plan for redemption of those who trust in Christ.
     
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    Ties into Romans 8, as the elect in Christ are the sinners chosen out beforehand by God, by His own will and purpose, not based upon us!
     
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    Scripture does not portray you and God as co-rulers. Your syncretism is a false teaching regarding God.
     
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    Scripture portrays God as ruler. Beginning in the very first book of the Bible, we see that The Ruler gives His subjects permission to make choices.
     
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    Earlier in the thread, I posted a quote from Sproul. Maybe you have a better answer for it than he does.

    Why did Adam sin?
    Did he have a choice?
    Did he do Gods will?
    If Adam did not do Gods will, does that mean God was not in control?
    If he did Gods will, why did God command him to do opposite of what He really wanted Adam to do?
    Considering Adam had no fallen nature, why did hedesire to sin?
     
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    Key word...His subjects.

    Only those whom God has chosen to adopt are his subjects. Everyone else is a rebel to God. They are slaves to sin.

    The choices his adopted children make are in God's ordained will.

    You are a bond-slave of God or a slave to sin. Which camp do you fall in, Reynolds? In no case are you an equal ruler with God. Accept your humble position. You and I are nothing except by our position in Christ.
     
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    The answer is:
    God in His Sovereign will ordained the fall of man for the purpose of His Sovereign will.

    What does that mean? It means that God does not owe us an explanation. You make no demands of the King. You bow before the King. That is your position. We kneel in the presence of the King.

    You don't like that option?

    Do you prefer your just judgment instead?
     
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    Where do you come up with this crap that I think I am an equal ruler with God? That idea is an invention of your over active imagination or possibly it is the result of poor reading comprehension. You have a quite annoying habit of wrongly stating what other people believe. Show a direct quote from one of my posts where I have claimed to be equal to God. Either you falsely portray my position to make a point or you make false assumptions about what I believe. I am not sure which, but I am tired of it.
     
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    What that means is you have no clue how to explain it. It is a blatant contradiction that gives Calvinists fits.
    God told Adam not to sin, but it was Gods will he sinned. Do you realize how blatantly stupid that is?
     
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    Is God entirely Sovereign in all areas and are you a bond-slave of Christ?
     
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    First part of the question, Yes God is entirely Sovereign. Where we differ is in the practical implication of His Sovereignty.

    Second part, yes.
     
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    The conflict is in your ignorant thinking that you can grasp the will of God.
    You and I are like 1 month old babies in our understanding of God's plans. I understand this and accept my Father is good, even when I don't understand His choices. You, you demand an answer and imagine that you can reason out God's will.

    Reynolds you are being foolish even as you pridefully think your inquiry and questioning of God is honorable.
     
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    Your implication is not supported by the Bible, however, and it is not what Sovereignty means.
     
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    It is supported by the Bible. God gave Adam a Choice. Deal with that and we shall move further.




    You obviously have some definition fabricated in your mind of what Sovereignty is. Why don't you enlighten me as to what Sovereignty is and then we can discuss it?
     
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    I am not questioning God, I am questioning you. When you have no answer, I become foolish. Funny how that seems to regularly happen.
     
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    Adam acted within the ordained will of God. Adam could not choose outside of God's ordained will.
    God was not taken by surprise. God's will was never usurped by Adams actions. Nowhere do you see God saying He was blindsided by human action. On the contrary. God tells us that He raises up evil nations to accomplish His will. Read Habakkuk if you doubt.

    You desperately want the choice to be like God. Why is that?
     
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    I provided the answer. You don't like it and demand that God answer your childish questions as though he's obligated to do so.
    Just rest in God. Trust Him when He says He is with you always. No questions are necessary. God is Sovereign, you are not.
     
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