Freemasonry: Good, Bad, Indifferent

Squire Robertsson · Jul 30, 2017

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JonC · Jul 30, 2017

Bro. James said: ↑

Decide for yourself--good advice--after some serious digging and comparision to The Word of God--the only authority on Truth. "Let God be found True, and every man a liar."

Thank-you for the input.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
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Yep. Secular humanism....and it's not limited to Freemasonry.

Gregg T · Jul 30, 2017

JonC said: ↑

Actually....let's make this real:

I was a Master Mason, 32 degree Scottish Rite Mason, Knights Templar York Rite Mason, and Past Master. I served a year in each office before being nominated for master of the lodge. I presided over the lodge for a year. Several years later I quit the fraternity.

When did I ever claim to have Gnostic knowledge about God? When did I ever claim that one can be made ready for heaven by Masonic rites or practices? When did I deny Jesus as Lord? When did I deny the Christianity of the Bible?

The answer is NEVER as a Freemason did I deny Christ. Except for being asked to affirm Jesus as Lord in the York Rite, I was never encouraged or discouraged to obtain or hold any type of faith at all.

Do you see why it is so damaging when Christians take the propaganda route to address Freemasonry? You damage the validity of your message (that Freemasonry is not good) when you couple it with things the Mason knows by experience to be false.

Stick to the gospel and the work of the Kingdom. Take the high ground. Avoid idle talk and conspiracy theories...."old wives tales". As a Christian you don't need to go there.
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Jon C,
I am new to this forum, and enjoy reading the many comments here. A few of my relatives are masons, or were befor they passed on. Are you a mason, or have you formally left freemasonry?

Gregg T · Jul 30, 2017

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You are trying to tell me that from a very wide perspective of Masonic writings which all agree with the conclusions I have presented concerning their history and intents that I am wrong but you are right simply because of your own personal experience and research. That reminds me of the Pentecostals who claimed that I did not know what I was talking about when it came to their speaking in tongues and baptism in the Spirit BECAUSE THEY HAD EXPERIENCED IT AND I HAD NOT. Well, I have never murdered a person, committed adultery (with regard to the acts) and yet I don't have to experience these things to know they are wrong.

I have had my own experiences with the Masons, but your experience and research trumps my experience and research. Sorry don't buy it!

In fact, your arguments make less sense the more they are put in light of what Masons have written from a very wide perspective. Job asked can a clean thing come from an unclean thing,not one. Masonism comes from an unclean thing and the multitude of masonic witnesses to their own origin and idealogy prove that is true. You simply cannot deny the luciferian symbolsim and doctrine found in their own writings and you cannot defend it as Christian. Instead, you flee to every man's own interpetation as though the Masonic organization had no specific intents behind such symoblisms when originating them?????????!!!!????? [edited - insults removed] Your defense of Masonism reminds me of how Catholic apoligists defend Rome and its writings, the very same techiques when faced with the very same kind of evidences contrary to their experiences and research. Yes, I am not a roman Catholic,never been in the church, never studied as much as the Roman apologist and therefore, I must be wrong, my research, my critiques of their writings and interpretations must be wrong and they must be right because I have never taken the time to join the order (Knights of the Templar???) and study their works and the interpretations of their works by their scholars. Right!
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JonC said: ↑

I am trying to tell you that Freemasonry is symbolic and subjective in its symbolism. This is true with its history as well (John J. Robinson wrote a very popular book that many take as history, but so did Davis....and the "histories" are different).
There are Masonic books about how Masons originated with King Solomon. But there are other books that relate them originating in England as a type of labor union during the Middle Ages. There are books that have them coming about as blue collar workers and then introducing the philosophers and artists until the latter defined the group. There are explanations that they originated from with the Catholic church. No one really denounces other views because it's subjective. The "official" stance is that no one knows (this is stated in the first degree ritual).

So yes, Masons have written in a very wide perspective. You have Albert Pike's interpretation. But you also have Duncan's and MacKay's interpretations. Add to this the hundreds and hundreds of other interpretations all differing. Which one is the "real" interpretation? If you ask the Freemasons, they will say all are real because Freemasonry is not a religion. It is what it is to the member.

Your inability to accept this fact does not make it less true. And my view that you are on the right side of the issue (against Freemasonry in the church) does not lessen the fact that you are sinning by bearing false witness on a group of people we both to whom we both object. Why should I consider your sin as any less than theirs?

"In some ways, the relationship between Masonry and religion is like the relationship between the Parent-Teacher Association (the P.T.A.) and education. Members of the P.T.A. believe in the importance of education. They support it. They assert that no man or woman can be a complete and whole individual or live up to his or her full potential without education. They encourage students to stay in school and parents to be involved with the education of their children. They may give scholarships. They encourage their members to get involved with and to support their individual schools.

But there are some things P.T.A.s do not do. They do not teach. They do not tell people which school to attend. They do not try to tell people what they should study or what their major should be.

In much the same way, Masons believe in the importance of religion. Masonry encourages every Mason to be active in the religion and church of his own choice. Masonry teaches that without religion a man is alone and lost, and that without religion, he can never reach his full potential.

But Freemasonry does not tell a person which religion he should practice or how he should practice it. That is between the individual and God. That is the function of his house of worship, not his fraternity, and Masonry is a fraternity, not a religion."

North Raleigh Masonic Lodge - J.J. Crowder #743

When we examine what a group of people believe we look at their stances. This is true of Calvinists, this is true of Arminianism, this is true of Christians, this is true of Islam, and this is true of Freemasons. You have no right to ascribe to them a belief they claim not to hold. It is dishonest and you should know it.

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Freemasonry is both a religion and a gnostic philosophy working side by side. [edited]

JonC · Jul 30, 2017

Gregg T said: ↑

Jon C,
I am new to this forum, and enjoy reading the many comments here. A few of my relatives are masons, or were befor they passed on. Are you a mason, or have you formally left freemasonry?
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I left long ago.

Squire Robertsson · Jul 30, 2017

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