Hermeneutical Principle in Interpreting Scripture

[Mr. Davis]

Utilyan wrote:
Show me one example of wrongful judgement of others that's worst then already claiming they are unholy and unclean.
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You said God told you that you are not in the Book of Life. People that aren't in there are utterly unclean and unholy and will be judged, not wrongly, but righteously...

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[utilyan]

Utilyan wrote:
Show me one example of wrongful judgement of others that's worst then already claiming they are unholy and unclean.
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You said God told you that you are not in the Book of Life. People that aren't in there are utterly unclean and unholy and will be judged, not wrongly, but righteously...

Cue up the theme song of the Outer Limits!

Will be Judged and have been Judged are two different points in time.

Deceptive and dishonest for not quoting the whole context.


PS.: Show me one example of wrongful judgement of others that's worst then already claiming they are unholy and unclean.

I feel like I'm watching a dog chase his own tail. This question is not a hard question, please.


Jesus Christ taught not to judge, If one don't teach the same it is because one hates Jesus, hates the bible and hates the truth.

 

[utilyan]

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Genesis 1:26-27

“Don‛t you know that you yourselves are God‛s Temple and that God‛s spirit lives in you?” 1 Corinthians 2:16

"Love your neighbour as yourself." Mark 12:31

"A new commandment I give to you : love one another as I have loved you." John 13:34


Here is a twist a good curve ball for you. I disagree with your view that all mankind deserves Hell, much less to be aborted.

ALL human life is sacred. Not unholy not unclean.


ALL HUMAN LIFE IS SACRED AND HOLY.

Jeremiah 1:4-5 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Genesis 9

6“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.

If mankind was unholy and unclean it wouldn't even be called murder when they are killed.

Mankind is sacred and HOLY.

Psalms 8:4-5 what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him? Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor.

Mankind is crowned with glory and honor.

Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Those who believe all mankind deserve hell, hit all seven.^


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[utilyan]

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Human life is sacred it is not unholy, not unclean and does not deserve hell.

Matthew 18:1-2, 10 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them…See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.

^God loves all children, Calvinist say "NO", or they put adjectives to love. They get a purple love, a common love, a chunky love, a coffee love, unleaded grace, diet faith, ect.

I can tell every child on earth God absolutely loves them, FOREVER. But who shrugs and doesn't have a clue?

Same folks can tell every child they deserve hell.


I come back with scripture after scripture with God saying human life is holy. You all have come back with ZERO supporting the SIN to judge others.

 

[Reformed]

I come back with scripture after scripture with God saying human life is holy. You all have come back with ZERO supporting the SIN to judge others.

You do not understand the scriptures you quote. Matthew 18:15-19 is one passage where our Lord gives us specific instructions on judging and disciplining other believers. Matthew 7:1-5 is often used as a proof text against judging, but that is not the meaning of the passage. Jesus is condemning hypocrites; those who judge while themselves in need of judgment because of their own sin. James 5:19-20 infers judgment of a brother who has fallen into sin and the blessing that ensues when that brother repents and turns back to the truth. When righteous judgment is levied on a sinning brother, it is a judgment that always seeks the restoration of that brother. It is a judgment born of love.

Christians are not to judge the world. The world is already judged and under condemnation (John 3:18). Christians are to judge one another but do so righteously. In order to protect the body of Christ from unrighteous judgment, God has given the church the office of pastor and elders. These offices are to shepherd the flock and to keep it safe from ravenous wolves that seek to destroy it. The shepherds themselves are answerable to Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Human life is sacred it is not unholy, not unclean and does not deserve hell.

Matthew 18:1-2, 10 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them…See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.

^God loves all children, Calvinist say "NO", or they put adjectives to love. They get a purple love, a common love, a chunky love, a coffee love, unleaded grace, diet faith, ect.

I can tell every child on earth God absolutely loves them, FOREVER. But who shrugs and doesn't have a clue?

Same folks can tell every child they deserve hell.


I come back with scripture after scripture with God saying human life is holy. You all have come back with ZERO supporting the SIN to judge others.

ALL of us are born as sinners, and choose willingly to sin, and as such, we all do deserve to be judged and condemned to hell!
That is the glory of the Cross, as God provided a way for hell bent sinners to get saved!

 

[utilyan]

ALL of us are born as sinners, and choose willingly to sin, and as such, we all do deserve to be judged and condemned to hell!
That is the glory of the Cross, as God provided a way for hell bent sinners to get saved!

Bible believers quote scripture. Unbelievers just make stuff up.

I quoted God state call no man unholy, call no man unclean. I quoted the sacredness of human life it is the temple of the holy spirit.

 

[utilyan]

You do not understand the scriptures you quote. Matthew 18:15-19 is one passage where our Lord gives us specific instructions on judging and disciplining other believers. Matthew 7:1-5 is often used as a proof text against judging, but that is not the meaning of the passage. Jesus is condemning hypocrites; those who judge while themselves in need of judgment because of their own sin. James 5:19-20 infers judgment of a brother who has fallen into sin and the blessing that ensues when that brother repents and turns back to the truth. When righteous judgment is levied on a sinning brother, it is a judgment that always seeks the restoration of that brother. It is a judgment born of love.

Christians are not to judge the world. The world is already judged and under condemnation (John 3:18). Christians are to judge one another but do so righteously. In order to protect the body of Christ from unrighteous judgment, God has given the church the office of pastor and elders. These offices are to shepherd the flock and to keep it safe from ravenous wolves that seek to destroy it. The shepherds themselves are answerable to Christ.

Not even one verse away, Jesus did not come to condemn the world.

His judgement is required for it to be true.

I made an easy challenge to show me a example of judgement or condemnation that is wrong.


Jesus Christ doesn't say JUDGE in a non hypocritical way.

Jesus Christ says : 37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.


Its not a option. The command is NO. Teaching to sin is what it happening To depreciate the image of God and the sacredness of human life.

 

[revmwc]

Not even one verse away, Jesus did not come to condemn the world.

His judgement is required for it to be true.

I made an easy challenge to show me a example of judgement or condemnation that is wrong.


Jesus Christ doesn't say JUDGE in a non hypocritical way.

Jesus Christ says : 37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.


Its not a option. The command is NO. Teaching to sin is what it happening To depreciate the image of God and the sacredness of human life.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. Those who are Spiritual that is those who are saved and Operating in the wisdom of the Holy Spirit judge all things, because God has given the believer the Holy spirit. Of course we see howt hat Job's friends condemned him as a sinner yet in Job 32:3 we see Also against his three friends was his wrath kindled, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job. While they themselves were guilty, Job was not. Then in Hebrews 11 we see Noah, verse 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. The righteous standing of Noah condemned the world he lived in and all but 8 perished. They were condemned already when they refused to believe and judgment was carried out with the flood.

Finally how many in Sodom weren't condemnedalready when Abraham pleaded with God to spare the city in Genesis 18:
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

Christ dealing with Abraham knew how many were righteous and how many were condemned and judged. Not even 10 were found righteous and the cities destroyed.

 

[revmwc]

Luke 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. Jesus was condemned by the Pharisee's as a a blasphemer He was condemned and put to death and was not guilty of any sin.

Will be Judged and have been Judged are two different points in time.

Deceptive and dishonest for not quoting the whole context.


PS.: Show me one example of wrongful judgement of others that's worst then already claiming they are unholy and unclean.

I feel like I'm watching a dog chase his own tail. This question is not a hard question, please.


Jesus Christ taught not to judge, If one don't teach the same it is because one hates Jesus, hates the bible and hates the truth.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christ the just one condemned to die for all who are unjust. Peter judged all unjust yet all are justified by placing faith in Christ, Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. If all men are sinners and unjust as Peter states they are justified by Faith alone. Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: We have peace with God because we are justified by faith therefore all mankind are the enemies of God and condemned by God. Yet God foreknows all who will come to Him and therefore has justified all He foreknows. Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. We are enemies of God and as such face condemnation, all who don't have Christ as their savior are condemned already because they have failed to believe on the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. The unbelievers are the enemies of God except those who are God's elect those whom He foreknows as believers because of His knowing them Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. By His knowing beforehand He predestinated to the image of His Son, but they don't become the image of His Son without placing faith in that Son. God knows they will and they are not condemned once they trust in Christ.

 

[revmwc]

God condemns and He already knows who will be condemned to the Lake of fire and who will not. Since He knows beforehand those who will not they are already condemned and in torments in Hid eyes. Revelation 21 we see the final judgment but sentenced was past upon them the moment of their birth based on God's foreknowing the choice they would make, Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Why did God hate Esau, because of His foreknowledge of the choices Esau would make. Just as He loved Jacob who He knew would trust Him. Satan has already been condemned and is awaiting his final sentence to be carried out 2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. Already have a judgement day reserved as if it has already taken place in God's eyes.

 

[Reformed]

Not even one verse away, Jesus did not come to condemn the world.

His judgement is required for it to be true.

I made an easy challenge to show me a example of judgement or condemnation that is wrong.


Jesus Christ doesn't say JUDGE in a non hypocritical way.

Jesus Christ says : 37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.


Its not a option. The command is NO. Teaching to sin is what it happening To depreciate the image of God and the sacredness of human life.

I have no idea what you just said. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[revmwc]

Show me one example of wrongful judgement of others that's worst then already claiming they are unholy and unclean.

I feel like I'm watching a dog chase his own tail. This question is not a hard question, please.

We can cue the twilight zone music.

I didn't say anyone was God does that is the Son of God Jesus in John 3:18

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Genesis 1:26-27

“Don‛t you know that you yourselves are God‛s Temple and that God‛s spirit lives in you?” 1 Corinthians 2:16

"Love your neighbour as yourself." Mark 12:31

"A new commandment I give to you : love one another as I have loved you." John 13:34


Here is a twist a good curve ball for you. I disagree with your view that all mankind deserves Hell, much less to be aborted.

ALL human life is sacred. Not unholy not unclean.


ALL HUMAN LIFE IS SACRED AND HOLY.

Jeremiah 1:4-5 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Genesis 9

6“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.

If mankind was unholy and unclean it wouldn't even be called murder when they are killed.

Mankind is sacred and HOLY.

Psalms 8:4-5 what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him? Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor.

Mankind is crowned with glory and honor.

Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Those who believe all mankind deserve hell, hit all seven.^


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So when Paul says they are and Peter too then they are in violation of scripture do they hit all seven? Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

All are enemies of God prior to salvation, Paul, which means unjust or unsaved. The just one Jesus, died for the unjust, Peter, the unholy and unsaved.

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Genesis 1:26-27 Man fell, 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. We are made Spiritually alive through Faith in Christ and therefore we are all Spiritually dead, condemned and unjustified until we become justified by Faith.

“Don‛t you know that you yourselves are God‛s Temple and that God‛s spirit lives in you?” 1 Corinthians 2:16 when do we become the Temple of the Holy Spirit 2 Timothy 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. At Salvation so that 1 Corinthians 2:16 speaks to Believers only who have the Holy Spirit indwelling and when sin is confessed filling or controlling them. 1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. He comes into and indwells or dwelleth in every believer at the point of their calling upon Him for salvation.

"Love your neighbour as yourself." Mark 12:31 "A new commandment I give to you : love one another as I have loved you." John 13:34 of course we are to love all mankind, that doesn't mean we see them as all saved, we see them as God sees them, sinners in need of a savior, unjust, unclean and dead in trespasses and sins yet we love them anyway just as God loves them.

Jeremiah 1:4-5 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” A beautiful picture of God's Foreknowing us before we were ever formed in eternity past.

 

[Yeshua1]

Bible believers quote scripture. Unbelievers just make stuff up.

I quoted God state call no man unholy, call no man unclean. I quoted the sacredness of human life it is the temple of the holy spirit.

Are we all sinners, who have fallen short of the glory of God, or not?

 

[utilyan]

Are we all sinners, who have fallen short of the glory of God, or not?

DO you deserve to be called an idiot? Because going to hell is a worst judgment.

 

[Yeshua1]

DO you deserve to be called an idiot? Because going to hell is a worst judgment.

We all deserve to be in hell right now, apart from the Grace of God in the Cross of Christ!

 

[utilyan]

We all deserve to be in hell right now, apart from the Grace of God in the Cross of Christ!

That is a sinful opinion. It would be a fact if God ever said it himself.


Anyone in hell is actively committing a sin, they are actively denying the truth of Jesus Christ.

To say well you deserve to spit in God's face, is sacrilege.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Yeshua1]

That is a sinful opinion. It would be a fact if God ever said it himself.


Anyone in hell is actively committing a sin, they are actively denying the truth of Jesus Christ.

To say well you deserve to spit in God's face, is sacrilege.

All deserve Hell, period, apart from being saved by Jesus now!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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