Propitiation

'By one Man's obedience, many will be made righteous' (Romans 5:19). Christ was not merely obedient in death, He was 'obedient unto death' (Philippians 2:8). "Which of you convicts Me of sin?" (John 8:46). We may be sure that if He had left one duty of the law undone, the Pharisees would have spotted it. "I always do the things that please [the Father]" (John 8:29).

You, I'm sorry to say, do not have it at all.

Leaving aside the question of the meaning of 'world' and 'all,' you have it somewhere nearly right, but Jesus is the 'Lamb without spot or blemish' (1 Peter 1:19). The physical perfections of the sacrificial animals in the Old Covenant (e.g. Leviticus 22:21) points to the moral and spiritual perfections of our Lord-- 'holy, harmless and undefiled' (Hebrews 7:26). Christ's work of satisfaction to the Father lasted His whole life on earth

Yes.

This seems to be what you denied earlier on. We have a salvation apart from the law because Christ has perfectly kept it on our behalf as our surety (Hebrews 7:22). A 'surety' is one who agrees to undertake for another who is unable to discharge his own obligation. We are unable to keep the law ourselves, so Christ our surety has kept it on our behalf. We owe God a satisfaction for our sins; "Assuredly I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you have paid the last penny" (Matthew 5:26). Christ has paid our debt in full on the cross. Ah! Praise the Lord for penal substitution! No hope without it!

Amen! 'He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree.' 'Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.' God, in the Person of Christ, gave Himself to suffer instead of us the death punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for sin. Praise His Name!

 

I am going out in just a moment and the thread will probably be closed when I get back, but you misunderstand the very nature of God. 'Holy, holy, holy is the LORD God of Hosts.' He cannot deny Himself ( 1 Timothy 2:13). Why is there no remission of sins without the shedding of blood? Because of the holiness of God. '.....by no means clearing the guilty.' Unless Christ is our surety, there is no hope for any of us. He must drink the cup of God's wrath, and drink it down to the very dregs.

This is what troubled Trypho: how could the Christ be made a curse? And it is what Justin explained, if you had but eyes to see.

 

Martin,

There is two elements you seem to blend. Shedding of blood and death.

Either one can happen without the other, and the same with Christ.

The shedding began in the garden.

The death was not because of shed blood, but life laid down - the evidence of the full wages of sin being remunerated.

 

There is not a single Scripture I can find to support this statement.

Can you share one that specifically mention the Christ drank “the cup of God’s wrath down to the dredges.”

Rather, I find just the opposite is presented in the Scriptures.

 

Matthew 26:39-42 and the parallel passages in Mark and Luke. That it was drunk completely is shown by John 19:30.

 

You are committing the very error warned against by Stott in his book on the cross. If you suppose that at the cross, God the Father inflicted a punishment upon Christ that He was unwilling to accept, of that Christ on the cross extracted a mercy from the Father that He was unwilling to give, you are way off beam. John 10:17-18 and John 3:16 are your texts.

Likewise, we read that 'It pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.' If that text leads you to suppose that God condemned the righteous, or that He broke His word, all it shows is that you do not understand the Scriptures. I've explained it all to you before; I'm not going to do it again.

 

Romans 5:19; 1 Corinthians 1:30.

Your text says that the Lord Jesus is the surety of a better covenant. The Old Covenant was good, but the New is better. 'For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of human flesh on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us.......' (Romans 8:3-4). The law is holy and just and good (Romans 7:12) but it is weak because of the flesh-- we can't keep it! Does this mean that God's plan, made before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; Titus 1:2) is not going to be carried out? No, praise God! For what the law could not do God has done in Jesus Christ by sending Him willingly to die for sinners and satisfy the demands of divine justice ('the righteous requirements of the law'). As surety, He acted for us, providing the perfect righteousness that we could not provide, paying the debt we could not pay and the penalty that was hanging over us. that is what it means to be a surety. Paul became a surety for Onesimus: 'But if he owes you anything, put that on my account' (Philemon 8). Another lovely illustration of what being a surety involves is provided by Judah in Genesis 43:9; "I myself will be surety for [Benjamin]; from my hand you shall require him. If I do not bring him back to you and set him before you let me bear the blame forever,' and then in Genesis 44:32-33.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]