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Monergism vs Synergism

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Nov 20, 2017.

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  1. Reformed

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    I like the faux carnation. Nice touch. @TCassidy , do you think it needs a better hat to complete the ensemble?
     
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    Jesus Saves and yes He has provided the means, a requirement of faith and repentance.
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    Where does faith come from?
     
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    Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
     
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    It is the very Gift of God towards His elect in Christ!
     
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    So, if I understand you correctly. people hear the Word of God, and then they have a "free choice" as to is they wish to be saved or not. Is that correct?
     
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    Yes. A gift, as indeed all things are.

    Men who pride themselves on their faith are lost souls.
     
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    God gives the gift of faith. He also gives the gift of repentance. :Smile 'nuff said?
     
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    Exactly.
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    Still unable to prove your point with scripture?
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    Read thoroughly: John, Romans, and Ephesians. You probably know all the specific references
    that Calvinists use. Why not post these with your comments underneath? You're the Challenger,
    do your homework and get back to us! :rolleyes:
     
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    So it would seem
     
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    So, God chooses whom He will save. That's exactly what I believe!
     
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    He does, everyone agrees with that. He chooses all who believes. If you believe, you are elect.
     
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    Revmitchell,

    So you agree:

    God from eternity past, always and only, intended to save the elect. He did not coerce them to be His. The Holy Spirit worked in their hearts and made them spiritually alive from the dead: He regenerated them, and this is how they acquired faith unto salvation. Regeneration always precedes faith. In declaring they are saved, they mean it was God enabling them to have faith in Christ.
     
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    He did intend to elect the saved. One only become else once one believes.
     
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    Elected first. Evidence of election (believing) second. Right?
     
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    So President Trump was not elected last November? He only became elected when he was sworn in as President?

    It seems to me you have the cart before the horse. He became elect last November and became President in January when he was sworn in.

    I was elected in Eternity Past (and, yes, I am aware that is an oxymoron) and believed in 1974.

    2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
     
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    Six Hour Warning
    This thread will be closed sometime after 5 PM Pacific.
     
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    Understanding me isn't the issue. It's understanding scripture. I believe it is plain as the nose on my face. There isn't anything complicated about scripture if you read it in context. Free choice is all through out the Bible. You just have to leave your presuppositions behind and read everything in context. Allowing guidance from the Holy Spirit.
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