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Your going to tell me there is no insult in the first post with a straight face? But when I flip it to explain there is, you want my head on a silver platter?

Read that second sentence of the first post and come back and tell me there is nothing wrong with it.

 

I can say NON-Calvinist don't eat babies.

That doesn't automatically mean Calvinist eat babies.



When you want to get on the subject we are ready.

 

Because unless one is willing to entertain another point of view, and that perhaps one's own view needs to be adjusted--then it's not a discussion. It's merely a one-sided dialog meant to convince others why one position is correct and all others are wrong.

 

And thus, you've started with the assumption that non-cals do not hold to God's sovereignty, and therefore cannot be correct. And thus, this is not a discussion or a debate, but an opportunity for you to explain to why you're right and non-cals are wrong.

Nothing illogical, irrational, or dishonest. Just an analysis.

 

So you view it as a sales pitch?

 

Yes it could be an exchange of information, perception, culture etc. it doesn’t have me trying to persuade me or my attempting to persuade. If we could take heightened emotions out of the equation, we might both benefit from the exchange.... or not.

 

As I have posted more than once, I basically am in agreement with a modified Doctrines of Grace approach.

Like TCassidy, the grace of God will always accomplish that which it is purposed by God to accomplish. Sometimes the term(s) labels can stifle conversation in favor of reactionary rejection.

I do also (as most recent threads attest) suggest that the more Scriptural way to address the "limit" is not that of blood, but of redemption. So, I like "limited redemption" rather than "limited atonement," but it is a work in progress as far as terms.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, my apologies. Haven't been feeling well, and medication has made things worse. Please forgive any offenses I may have caused.

 

God is sovereign in everything. No need to add "in election". Superfluous.




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I’m not asking for your head on a platter; what I’m asking you to do is remove it from your butt...then quit being so hypersensitive. Capich.

 

Sure thing. Just note if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't be asking you to behave as a christian, i'd be asking God to make you behave as a christian.

Ultimately you are not debating me at all, because I am merely following God's absolute sovereign will.

 

The thing I am going to pinpoint is the order of things, Like when regeneration occurs in relation to hearing the gospel.

I'm going to show you a set of verses you tell me if they say the same thing, If they don't tell me what is different.
I'm going to LET YOU explain what is one verse saying and what is the other saying.


1 Corinthians 1

21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to cause belief in them that he saved.


Romans 10

10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

10for with the heart a person believes after he is made righteous, and with the mouth he confesses, as a result of salvation.


Ephesians 1

13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—after you were sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise, you believed.


Romans 5

2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by grace into this faith in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Again,
I'm going to LET YOU explain what is one verse saying and what is the other saying.

Then I want to hear if regeneration occurs BEFORE or AFTER the sinner HEARS the Gospel.

 

Been there, done that. You are not alone and I don't mean just me.

HankD

 

Jumpin' flamin' flapjacks! Excuse the phrase, my daddy was a chef from the south and some of the things he said, have stuck.

This is not a good start.

I am not ashamed of the label 'Calvinist', but prefer reformed believer. The reason is more practical than spiritual. The name Calvin gives people an excuse to dismiss him out of kind. I'm not a paedobaptists either.

Reformed, I believe, has become a collective word to mean many things. I once saw a hyper Calvinist trying to form a mob to extinguish John Piper so his 'continuist' beliefs wouldn't taint the rest of us. I'm thinking Matt Chandler was included.

I'd love to participate in any such discussion that is conducted in accordance with Ephesians 4:29.

 

Your a good guy Don and a true gentleman

no I am not debating you... what I’m doing rather is warning you. I won’t make that mistake again. Good bye.