Preterists still won't give up...

Oh dear, you are at your old rant again without answering my questions. But the People of the Price who would come and the AOD were not part of the determined seventy weeks, but were the result of those events. The important part of the seventy weeks and were those 6 determined events, but you have failed to answer.

I said all six points which were determined for the seventy weeks were fulfilled in Christ. You picked out two of those and disagree on one and partially agree on another but have evaded answering the other four.
So let us try again.

I asked "Shall we discuss these in order?
No 1). to finish the transgression, I tried to make it easy for you by splitting them to one at a time, "
So would you like to answer that.

I believe that Jesus fulfilled that in His ministry.

 

Wolf in sheep's clothing eh?

You say that Titus was not the prince to come. He did come and his people, the Roman soldiers did destroy the temple and make it desolate. These armies were the AOD, they made the city and temple desolate and before they destroyed it they sacrificed to their standards in the Holy Place.

Luke 21:20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Josephus in his chapter "A brief history of Jerusalem" said there were two desolations of the city. First by Nebuchadnezzar and the second by Titus.

The Romans thought there was treasure in tunnels under Jerusalem. I watched a TV programme recently that showed some people who still thought there was, entering some areas of the tunnels that were forbidden by the authorities.

Where did you get that gem from? Venus being a rogue planet? The planets were placed there perfectly by God at creation.

 

Replacement theology played a key role in the persecution of Jews by the Roman Catholic Church and Roman Catholic political rulers for centuries to come. In the name of Jesus Christ, hundreds of thousands of Jews were slaughtered as “Christ killers,” and numerous others were uprooted and forced to move to other countries.
Recent Catholic leaders have worked aggressively to reverse their historical antipathy toward Jews, starting with Nostra Aetate, a 1965 Vatican II document often credited as a breakthrough in Catholic/Jewish relations. John Paul II promoted Jewish relations and Holocaust awareness as major tenets of his papacy. Pope Benedict XVI, a German who grew up during World War II, shows similar interests. But in February 2009, Roman Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson was widely quoted as denying the Holocaust occurred, provoking another break in Catholic/Jewish dialogue.
Though the 16th century Protestant reformers broke away from the Roman Catholic Church in several key areas of ecclesiology and doctrine, many of them continued to reject Chiliasm as being “Jewish opinions.” Many of the reformers maintained the amillennial view that the Roman Catholic Church had adopted from Augustine. As a result, in much the same manner as the Roman Catholic Church, they believed that they had the right to enforce their beliefs and policies upon all people, including Jews. This does not mean that all the reformers advocated persecution of Jews. However, one certainly did.
Martin Luther adopted a strong anti-Semitic disposition toward Jews, and wrote and preached extremely vitriolic statements of hatred against them.16 Adolph Hitler read Luther’s statements to the German people to justify the systematic elimination of millions of Jews in the Holocaust of World War II. Today such views are not regarded as mainstream Lutheran thought; some conservative Lutheran groups sponsor outreach ministries to Jews.
Covenant theology began to develop as a system of theology in the Reformed churches of Switzerland and Germany in the 16th and 17th centuries; passed to the Netherlands, Scotland, and England; and eventually came to America.17 Advocates of covenant theology adopted replacement theology in relationship to the nation of Israel. As a result, they claimed that, because Israel rejected Christ as its Messiah, God forever rejected the nation of Israel as His people and replaced Israel with the church as His people. Thus, the church is now the Israel of God and has inherited the blessings that God originally promised to national Israel. This meant that national Israel lost forever its rightful claim of ownership of the land that God gave to it in ancient times. If carried to its logical conclusion, this would mean that the church is the rightful owner of the land.

Dispensationalism, with its roots in the early church’s original view of eschatology, provides clear and consistent methods of interpretation—methods that will lead believers to understanding Israel’s continued place in God’s plan for the ages.

 

church is the rightful owner of the land.
Can you smell a purple rat?? Mystery Babylon.

 

MM>Dk>>I asked "Shall we discuss these in order?
No 1). to finish the transgression, I tried to make it easy for you by splitting them to one at a time, "
So would you like to answer that.

I believe that Jesus fulfilled that in His ministry. MMMMM Xpand please!~ But I smell a Rat! Is this from Daniel?? then I smell a replacement RAT!

 

Dan spells it out Beautiful about the last days and why the state of Israel Is hear and now >Daniel 9:24 ...'Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. A 7year old can understand these words but it seems very >very >no understandindg at ALL!

 

But >R3 there are people out there that talk and put you down >> Well >> what does the bible say about them>>MMMM>> Its called if they are sealed!>>> this is a very intro thread that I will do , the sealing of the church in the Dis>of Grace “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

 

That is an utter lie, the early church taught nothing like it. Dispensationalism, was a development of the Jesuit futurist teaching began by Cardinals Belamine and Ribera. History shows that.

The early church writers mostly taught the same, That the Roman empire and Emperor were the let and hindrance in 2 Thessalonians. They said when they were removed Rome would spit into ten kingdoms and from one of those, Antichrist would rise and reign for 3½ years and then would come the millenium. Therefore they were historicist in their teaching. One one that I have discovered separated the 70th week from the remainder.

They also mostly taught that in Revelation, the temple referred to the Church and Jews to Christians. Tertullian, for instance wrote that the 144,000 were Christian virgins. Therefor they quite correctly took a symbolic understanding of Revelation.

 

Obviously you don't understand. The prophecy is mainly about the ministry of Christ. 69 weeks to His Baptism and one week of His ministry, Christ was the Most Holy who was anointed at His Baptism. Nothing in it refers to Antichrist.

 

Scripture doesn't say that the sun altered its course, it said the shadow on the sundial went back. That could have been by deflection of light. Scripture doesn't say anything else..

 

Luv>IT!

 

Oh dear you are confused. Yes that is what the Angel said, "The people of the Prince that would come would destroy the temple" Fulfilled literally, to the letter

Scripture says Jews. But scripture also says Revelation is signified, ie figurative,. Lose sight of that and you have lost the plot.. The ECF got it right, you have got it ALL wrong.

I don't agree with preterism but futurism is far worse. It is all imagination gone wild on some false idea as to what would happen in the future, remember the Jews got it all wrong when understanding prophecies of Jesus and his kingdom. Very few prophecies in the OT were completely fulfilled other than symbolically. One that was is Daniel 11 and you don't take it as such, Another is Daniel 9 which you add to to support your preconceived ideas.

 

Maybe but there are legends all around the world regularly. Egypt was full of them. Of course it was only on the land of Israel.

2 Chronicles 32:31 Howbeit in the business of the ambassadors of the princes of Babylon, who sent unto him to enquire of the wonder that was done in the land,

In the Land, the land of Israel. If it was worldwide, they wouldn't have gone to Jerusalem to see it.

 

Are you a historical premil, as I am, a partial. or full preterist?