Deeds or Creeds

[utilyan]

the Great White thrown is not Jesus judging and sending sinners to Hell?

There is a hell, prepared for the devil, fallen angels and plenty of sinners.

Its funny hearing a Calvinist who believes the reprobate who he would insist has NO CAPACITY to Love God would count Hell as a place a reprobate would not want to go.

Throwing "the reprobate" in heaven would be the reprobate's nightmare, or anywhere near Jesus.

 

[utilyan]

Romans 1:18

God's wrath against sin/ungodliness is because of His holy nature.

Romans 1:18

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

There are words for Godliness, holiness and Righteousness devoid of Love, Evil and Sin.

Without love, it simply wouldn't care in the first place.

Trying to undermine Love, is trying to undermine God.

Knocking it from the highest priority is not going to happen.

 

[Yeshua1]

There is a hell, prepared for the devil, fallen angels and plenty of sinners.

Its funny hearing a Calvinist who believes the reprobate who he would insist has NO CAPACITY to Love God would count Hell as a place a reprobate would not want to go.

Throwing "the reprobate" in heaven would be the reprobate's nightmare, or anywhere near Jesus.

Does God actually ever judge any sinner then?

 

[Reformed]

Romans 1:18

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

There are words for Godliness, holiness and Righteousness devoid of Love, Evil and Sin.

Without love, it simply wouldn't care in the first place.

Trying to undermine Love, is trying to undermine God.

Knocking it from the highest priority is not going to happen.

You have no idea what I am talking about. I am not undermining love. Go back and read my previous posts. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.

 

[utilyan]

You have no idea what I am talking about. I am not undermining love. Go back and read my previous posts. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.

Did I say you were undermining love?

Go back and read my previous post. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.


Smoking crack is bad. (doesn't mean you smoke crack)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Did I say you were undermining love?

Go back and read my previous post. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.

Smoking crack is bad. (doesn't mean you smoke crack)

How about pot?

 

[thatbrian]

How about pot?

That would explain a lot.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That would explain a lot.

The things you don’t understand would fill up full universes. Please feel free to blather on and on and on.

 

[Adonia]

True, they are complex.

The following is my perspective, which has changed over the years. Theology is probably my greatest interest, so of course doctrines and beliefs are very important to me. And yet I have come to realize that actions are more important. I believe that how we treat others -- people, animals, the creation -- is what's most important to God. I base that on the emphasis on love presented in the NT. We can be wrong in our doctrine, but if we love, we have fulfilled the greatest commandment.

According to Jesus, love is the most important thing and you are absolutely correct. He not only says we should love God with everything we have, we are to love others, even down to our enemies. Love is the basis of Jesus's whole life, the love of humanity that He willingly laid down His life so in the end we could all have eternal life.

 

[Yeshua1]

Did I say you were undermining love?

Go back and read my previous post. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.


Smoking crack is bad. (doesn't mean you smoke crack)

Can God can have be both Love and Wrath as divine attributes?

 

[utilyan]

How about pot?

Some folks here can use a hit of herb.

John Calvin's crowning work: Institutes of the Christian Religion.


How many times he mentions God is love? Never. Evil people have their eyes on POWER FIRST.

The idolatry of sovereign power.


God is LOVE. People try to knock God down to a attribute. That God is a someone who has Love dominated.

If it is not in service to love or it tries to manipulate or undermine love, that is just called EVIL.

LOVE is GOD, LOVE is a someone who is God.

“God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in them.” 1 john 4

^John doesn't just say the same thing over, but both/also whoever abides in LOVE does so to God.
That means LOVE is GOD.

Everything evil is going to be geared towards knocking down the priority of loving others.

Evil tries to teach that everything they know ABOUT Jesus is more important then what Jesus TEACHES.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

According to Jesus, love is the most important thing and you are absolutely correct. He not only says we should love God with everything we have, we are to love

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Some folks here can use a hit of herb.

They seriously could use something

 

[Rebel1]

According to Jesus, love is the most important thing and you are absolutely correct. He not only says we should love God with everything we have, we are to love others, even down to our enemies. Love is the basis of Jesus's whole life, the love of humanity that He willingly laid down His life so in the end we could all have eternal life.

Absolutely!

I think you can get to heaven with a wrong belief about doctrines, but I don't think you can get there if you don't love.

 

[BobRyan]

Which do you believe are more important? Which do you believe God thinks are more important?

I have some thoughts but will wait for others to respond.

You will know them by their fruits - Matthew 7
Not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord - but he who DOES -- Matthew 7

Actions indicate who/what you "are" regardless of your "belief". So a vitriolic all-ad-hominem Baptist or Adventist is not going to get into heaven - while a gentile mild Christlike Catholic will.

However "the love of error" also will not get you to heaven

he will turn them over to strong delusion so that they might believe a lie - because they did not receive a LOVE of the TRUTH - 2Thess2.

 

[BobRyan]

Some folks here can use a hit of herb.

John Calvin's crowning work: Institutes of the Christian Religion.


How many times he mentions God is love? Never. Evil people have their eyes on POWER FIRST.

The idolatry of sovereign power.


God is LOVE. People try to knock God down to a attribute. That God is a someone who has Love dominated.

If it is not in service to love or it tries to manipulate or undermine love, that is just called EVIL.

LOVE is GOD, LOVE is a someone who is God.

“God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in them.” 1 john 4

^John doesn't just say the same thing over, but both/also whoever abides in LOVE does so to God.
That means LOVE is GOD.

Everything evil is going to be geared towards knocking down the priority of loving others.

Evil tries to teach that everything they know ABOUT Jesus is more important then what Jesus TEACHES.

That video with the comment "Some folks here can use a hit of herb." that you respond to points to an interesting distinction where when the Popes differ they try to cut off someone's head.

Lateran IV? (Exterminate heretics and Jews)

 

[BobRyan]

Can God can have be both Love and Wrath as divine attributes?

He can have wrath against sin and love the sinner.

 

[Rebel1]

You will know them by their fruits - Matthew 7
Not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord - but he who DOES -- Matthew 7

Actions indicate who/what you "are" regardless of your "belief". So a vitriolic all-ad-hominem Baptist or Adventist is not going to get into heaven - while a gentile mild Christlike Catholic will.

However "the love of error" also will not get you to heaven

he will turn them over to strong delusion so that they might believe a lie - because they did not receive a LOVE of the TRUTH - 2Thess2.

I believe that is right.

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe that is right.

The theology of BOTH the SDA and the Church of Rome as regarding salvation is wrong and false!
Are some saved in both churches? yes, totally due tot he grace and will of God, for both of them teach a false Gospel message!

 

[Adonia]

The theology of BOTH the SDA and the Church of Rome as regarding salvation is wrong and false!
Are some saved in both churches? yes, totally due tot he grace and will of God, for both of them teach a false Gospel message!

I can't speak for the SDA, but the Latin Rite of Christianity preaches Christ crucified. There are still altars in our houses of worship that speak to that momentous act in history. What is in your house of worship, a pulpit only?